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I don't think the regen needs to be addressed at all. It's a driver skill issue and once you get used to it high regen is the most precise driving mode and works super well. Honestly with regen I can stop more comfortably than an ICE car.
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Younguns don't understand the whole feathering thing. As someone that only used to drive std transmission cars, (and before hill hold exists) you learned pretty damn quick how to feather the clutch. I could hold a car on a 40 degree incline all day long without ever touching the brakes and then accelerate smooth as silk. But youngsters?...a few years ago I had a Golf R manual and took it to have the state inspection, the poor kid gets in the car to drive it around back...sits in it for a good five minutes, gets out and goes back into the office. A couple minutes later an older women comes out hops in, while muttering about this generation, and whips it around back. Damn kids these days! :D
This is how I always explain it! I say treat it like your first car, engine brake with it and downshift.
 

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I think Chill Mode is as much or more needed. Some of my kids get carsick from the strong start and stops.
I’ll be honest it took me a few days to get use to the car itself. I would feel slightly nauseous after driving it. It could also be the launches I did in it for family and friends. Who knows.
 

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Some love regen, some don't. It should ultimately be up to you whether you want it off/low/high.

I'm curious...how much does it actually charge the battery at the end of the day? After a day of city driving, what do you get, a few miles? And why does the vehicle turn it off temporarily after going down a hill for a few minutes? Is it bad for the vehicle after a certain duration?
 

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I don't think the regen needs to be addressed at all. It's a driver skill issue and once you get used to it high regen is the most precise driving mode and works super well. Honestly with regen I can stop more comfortably than an ICE car.
This is the right answer. Seriously, are people just completely letting off the accelerator pedal and expecting a smooth coast to a stop? The pedal isn't a 0-100% equation, it's like -40-100%. Modulate to slow down at the rate you want.
 

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This is the right answer. Seriously, are people just completely letting off the accelerator pedal and expecting a smooth coast to a stop? The pedal isn't a 0-100% equation, it's like -40-100%. Modulate to slow down at the rate you want.
While I won’t discuss how your argument requires exact precision from the driver, it’s also a problem when the truck changes regen strength based on existing battery strength. I.e., it turns off regen with 100% charge. Which means muscle memory is now dependent upon battery state.

This is why, in my view, Porsche has it right with the Taycan. No regen unless the driver engages it. And coasting is more efficient as well.

As a frequent race car driver, I think my skills in driving a car are honed more than most. The pedal-lift-regen decision is not conducive to smooth car control.
 

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THIS. The strong regen also makes my youngest sick too. Hates the truck because of it.
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While I won’t discuss how your argument requires exact precision from the driver, it’s also a problem when the truck changes regen strength based on existing battery strength. I.e., it turns off regen with 100% charge. Which means muscle memory is now dependent upon battery state.

This is why, in my view, Porsche has it right with the Taycan. No regen unless the driver engages it. And coasting is more efficient as well.

As a frequent race car driver, I think my skills in driving a car are honed more than most. The pedal-lift-regen decision is not conducive to smooth car control.
One of the big issues I have is if you need to slow down faster you need to move your foot to the brake still but then if you want to accelerate even if you release the brake the vehicle is still slowing down then you hit the accelerator. On some turns this can be really jerky when on low regen.

On high regen you have the issue where you hit a bump and your foot moves it makes the bumps even worse. First time I drove an R1S it felt like I was in a car with my parents learning to drive a manual as it was in sport mode high regen.

Last thing is when on the highway going 70mph (Virginia speed limit) you have to put the cruise control on so you can readjust your foot as it will slow down so fast with either regen.
 

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How do you guys think we could go about getting a Joe Mode a la Tesla for the R1T/R1S? I spoke with a service rep and suggested the idea but who knows if my suggestion will ever make it to the software team. Does anyone have any ideas on the right channels to go through, or perhaps if there is enough interest on this thread someone could forward it to Rivian? Muting all of those PC-like chimes and alerts would help those of us with babies/young kids sleeping in the rear seats. After all the R1T is supposed to be a relaxing, quiet ride experience, not an arcade game when you engage/disengage control cruise all the time.

Side note, I want to play a pinball game now...
For my wife I want a Gas Mode; Creep and a Gas Mode; Hold.

She was fine with my Bolt as she could drive it in D and it acted like a gas car. And I could drive it in L and have single pedal goodness.

Over time I expect most people to live a single pedal driving life, but for the people who have driven gas for their whole lives, well single pedal driving and heavy regen is scary.
 

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...This is why, in my view, Porsche has it right with the Taycan. No regen unless the driver engages it. And coasting is more efficient as well.

As a frequent race car driver, I think my skills in driving a car are honed more than most. The pedal-lift-regen decision is not conducive to smooth car control.
Completely agree. I wish Rivian has the ability to map the regen to the steering wheel dial to adjust the level of regen to low, std and high, like many EVs do with steering wheel paddles.

Not only lower regen increases range, due to the ability to coast without constant transient inputs to the motor, people over estimate the regen charging back to the batteries, compared to benefit of coasting.

On my Model 3, standard regen results in roughly 3.5mi/kwh in chill mode, and with lower regen its close to 4 miles/kwh - both in Chill mode.
 

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I'd really like a calmer acceleration mode for backing up to a trailer.

Very difficult to get the distance correct out of fear that I'll over-accelerate and hit the trailer due to the jumpy throttle. Frequently just have to pull up much further than needed to ease into the backup and then rinse & repeat until finally getting it perfect.
 

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Regen isn't an on-off switch. You can modulate it by not lifting off the pedal as far.
True but it takes a very good touch to get smooth stops compared to an ICE or an EV that will coast. I also think it may be harder for people with smaller feet and smaller frames (shorter legs and less body mass) to feather the pedal to make stopping/slowing smooth. Additionally, the heavy regen as opposed to a coast does not allow the driver to cover the break which is a critical defensive driving practice that helps avoid accidents. Also, does the regen turn on the brake lights? If not, seems like asking for a dear end collision.
 

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This is the right answer. Seriously, are people just completely letting off the accelerator pedal and expecting a smooth coast to a stop? The pedal isn't a 0-100% equation, it's like -40-100%. Modulate to slow down at the rate you want.
I think different body types/sizes will have a harder time feathering and the heavy regen also precludes use of the defensive driving tactic of covering the break. Giving the option doesn’t take away other settings, so it doesn’t hurt anything.
 
 








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