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As one who will not forgive Ford marketing for daring to call the Mach-E a Mustang. I think the Mach-E is a good looking vehicle.
The rear end is the part I dislike the most. And overall it’s just too bubbly for me. But I also am not a fan of the design language ford is doing on any of their cars outside of full size trucks. I did like the interior when I test drove.
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My wife is leasing a Mach E right now and she doesn't really like it. We will likely buyout the lease and sell it when the R2 comes out. She likes my R1S, she just wants something a bit smaller, so R2 will fit the bill.
 

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Apparently the new model year MME is going to make the frunk tub optional. That's nuts.
 
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Apparently the new model year MME is going to make the frunk tub optional. That's nuts.
I like the Mach-E a lot. I'm getting beyond annoyed with Ford. They have had success with it and act like they don't know what to do with it, or the Lightning for that matter.

It is brutally overdue for a refresh. 280 miles of range and 40 minutes from 10-80% going into 2026? Vertical screen? It honestly wouldn't take much updating to make it competitive again. I, for one, like the look and think it drives well. Weird cost cutting measures is not really what it needs. With the refreshed model Y and R2 coming up, no idea why anyone would get it outside of "it feels like a traditional car!"
 

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I like the Mach-E a lot. I'm getting beyond annoyed with Ford. They have had success with it and act like they don't know what to do with it, or the Lightning for that matter.

It is brutally overdue for a refresh. 280 miles of range and 40 minutes from 10-80% going into 2026? Vertical screen? It honestly wouldn't take much updating to make it competitive again. I, for one, like the look and think it drives well. Weird cost cutting measures is not really what it needs. With the refreshed model Y and R2 coming up, no idea why anyone would get it outside of "it feels like a traditional car!"
Completely agree. Does it even have a heat pump yet? I hope so
 

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Completely agree. Does it even have a heat pump yet? I hope so
It got one for 2025 along with some other minor changes. I don’t know why they keep dragging their feet on a refresh.
 

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It got one for 2025 along with some other minor changes. I don’t know why they keep dragging their feet on a refresh.
Yes. Had they refreshed last year I probably would’ve bought one for myself and hand me downed my 2018 Model 3 to my daughter. Instead, bought her a Bolt that got the new battery pack and held on to the 3 - when my sons can drive in 2 years I’ll rethink what I get. Maybe a used i4 or Taycan.
 
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Yes. Had they refreshed last year I probably would’ve bought one for myself and hand me downed my 2018 Model 3 to my daughter. Instead, bought her a Bolt that got the new battery pack and held on to the 3 - when my sons can drive in 2 years I’ll rethink what I get. Maybe a used i4 or Taycan.
It's frustrating as a fan. They don't update the Mach-E and will then wonder why sales start falling year over year. Sounds like you made the right choice with the new bolt. Now that is a good deal.
 

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It's frustrating as a fan. They don't update the Mach-E and will then wonder why sales start falling year over year. Sounds like you made the right choice with the new bolt. Now that is a good deal.
It really was! 2021 with 19K miles, I think $17,500 I got it for and battery warranteed until something like 2031
 

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Apparently the new model year MME is going to make the frunk tub optional. That's nuts.
I saw one of the recent Mach E's with the heat pump, it eats into the frunk space a bunch, was unfortunate to see that tradeoff. Might as well offer it without and then you get easier access to mechanics if needed.
 

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I like the Mach-E a lot. I'm getting beyond annoyed with Ford. They have had success with it and act like they don't know what to do with it, or the Lightning for that matter.

It is brutally overdue for a refresh. 280 miles of range and 40 minutes from 10-80% going into 2026? Vertical screen? It honestly wouldn't take much updating to make it competitive again. I, for one, like the look and think it drives well. Weird cost cutting measures is not really what it needs. With the refreshed model Y and R2 coming up, no idea why anyone would get it outside of "it feels like a traditional car!"
I am a huge fan of the MME, as a first year GT owner. It was a great car. The new ones are even better, but the cheaper models have serious compromises. I suppose if you spend what I spent on the first year GT, you can get something significantly improved.
 

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Leasing Model 3 until R3X comes out, but now I have an R2 reservation as well.
Personally, I think the R2 will be a better vehicle in almost every way except vampire drain, but that’s a tough financial decision to stomach.
We have no idea if the R2 will have the same issues with vampire drain as the R1s. It’s a completely different platform with a simplified zonal architecture and new tech. Surely they will have resolved that issue in this new vehicle.
 

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We have no idea if the R2 will have the same issues with vampire drain as the R1s. It’s a completely different platform with a simplified zonal architecture and new tech. Surely they will have resolved that issue in this new vehicle.
Vampire drain on my Gen2 is pretty low. Not as low as my MME was, but low enough to be practically irrelevant. Practically.

The legacy car manufacturers seem to have figured out the vampire drain issue. I really don't understand why my MME could go a week or two without losing a single percent of HVB charge, yet my Rivian Gen2 will do that easily in a few days. Leaving my truck at the airport for a week or two means losing a few percent. Not huge, but compared to my MME? Dude.
 

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I really really really do not understand comparisons like this.
Might as well compare a 4Runner (R2) to a Camry (MME).
They're different vehicles, for different uses.
Decide what you need, then shop for vehicles in that category. Why cross shop against other categories? Are you trying to narrow your choices or widen them? If all categories are on the table, what is your main selection criterion?
 

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I really really really do not understand comparisons like this.
Might as well compare a 4Runner (R2) to a Camry (MME).
They're different vehicles, for different uses.
Decide what you need, then shop for vehicles in that category. Why cross shop against other categories? Are you trying to narrow your choices or widen them? If all categories are on the table, what is your main selection criterion?
People cross shop different categories all the time. Heck, I'm comparing all EVs. I have different likes and no one vehicle checks off all boxes. Maybe you want the most energy efficient, well sedans will likely do that. But maybe you want a car to handle a toddler's mess, well, a Rivian might do that, but maybe you want the quietest vehicle, well another vehicle for that. If there is not one feature that stands out as a necessity and is uncompromisable, then its easy to cross shop. I landed on Rivian because I like the company itself, else I might consider a Lucid Air which is nothing like it or if I want to be cheap, a Kia EV6 or something. Again, nothing like the others, but Rivian checked most of my boxes which is why I am going to settle with an R2.
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