SAE is standardizing NACS this year – making it less dependent on Tesla

[RWerksman]

Update:

SAE wants to certify NACS by end of year, and fix plug & charge too
https://electrek.co/2023/07/12/sae-wants-to-certify-nacs-by-end-of-year-and-fix-plug-charge-too/

The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) has voted unanimously to form a task force to expedite its North American Charging Standard (NACS) standardization process and thinks that this process could finish by the end of the year – much earlier than expected.

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This just popped up in my feed and seems like some good news:

https://electrek.co/2023/06/27/sae-standardizing-nacs-less-dependent-on-tesla/

SAE International today announced it will standardize the Tesla-developed North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector. This will ensure that any supplier or manufacturer will be able to use, manufacture, or deploy the NACS connector on electric vehicles (EVs) and at charging stations across North America. Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Rivian, and a number of EV charging companies recently announced plans to adopt the NACS connector through adaptors or future product offerings.

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[COdogman]

That is good news!

 

[Dark-Fx]

That is good news!

Yeah but when does Tesla accuse the SAE of not acting in good faith here?

 

[COdogman]

Yeah but when does Tesla accuse the SAE of not acting in good faith here?

As soon as Elon needs a distraction from something he said or did it will happen

 

[DuoRivians]

This is good news

 

[Zoidz]

Good for the connector BUT the REALLY IMPORTANT good news Is the last sentence and what it really means! This is what REALLY matters to prevent Tesla from messing with things:

“The new SAE NACS connector standard will be developed on an expedited timeframe and is one of several key initiatives to strengthen the North American EV charging infrastructure. This includes SAE-ITC’s Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) for cyber-secure charging.”

Heres the meat and potatoes of that sentence and it’s why a few of us have been so vocal about needing an independent Standards Body:

”The project team is now testing the SAE Draft PKI Design Platform and its support for four initial use cases: Automated Mutual Authentication, Secure Automated Payment Services, Inter-Network Roaming, and Advanced Charging Energy Management. The robust testing includes testing the full functionality of the Draft PKI Design Platform as well as its scalability, and security. The testing will validate the Draft PKI Design Platform and result in an Industry PKI Launch Package. “

 

[mkg3]

SAE, like all other professional and standardization organizations, works with the source industry company/organization to define the standard, as well as defining future roadmaps.

Just because SAE will make NACS "the standard for light EV vehicle charging", it doesn't not mean that Tesla is not involved in defining it with SAE.

In other words, it will have Tesla's fingerprints all over it. Since so many of you guys have Tesla/Elon issues, don't know if this helps you or not.

Personally, I think this is a moot point as the marketplace has already made it essentially the standard already. This action by SAE does not increase or reduce any revenue to Tesla, nor does it change how Tesla implements NACS for SC. It just increases entropy for SAE, as an industry and lobby organization.

 

[sub]

Yeah but when does Tesla accuse the SAE of not acting in good faith here?

If/when their version of the "standard" results in vehicles/chargers that are incompatible with Tesla's chargers/cars.

I am not saying I think they will do that, but if they did, bad faith would seem to be the main explanation.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Just because SAE will make NACS "the standard for light EV vehicle charging", it doesn't not mean that Tesla is not involved in defining it with SAE.

In other words, it will have Tesla's fingerprints all over it. Since so many of you guys have Tesla/Elon issues, don't know if this helps you or not.

What happens if there is a disagreement between the two? Will we end up with even more fragmentation?

 

[Zoidz]

SAE, like all other professional and standardization organizations, works with the source industry company/organization to define the standard, as well as defining future roadmaps.

Just because SAE will make NACS "the standard for light EV vehicle charging", it doesn't not mean that Tesla is not involved in defining it with SAE.

In other words, it will have Tesla's fingerprints all over it. Since so many of you guys have Tesla/Elon issues, don't know if this helps you or not.

Personally, I think this is a moot point as the marketplace has already made it essentially the standard already. This action by SAE does not increase or reduce any revenue to Tesla, nor does it change how Tesla implements NACS for SC. It just increases entropy for SAE, as an industry and lobby organization.

I have nothing inherently against Elon or Tesla.

It’s not a moot point. Even though the marketplace has made the CURRENT implementation a standard, this ensures that ALL FUTURE development/enhancement/implementation is a standard, and that multiple companies are guiding that standard.

 

[COdogman]

SAE, like all other professional and standardization organizations, works with the source industry company/organization to define the standard, as well as defining future roadmaps.

Just because SAE will make NACS "the standard for light EV vehicle charging", it doesn't not mean that Tesla is not involved in defining it with SAE.

In other words, it will have Tesla's fingerprints all over it. Since so many of you guys have Tesla/Elon issues, don't know if this helps you or not.

Personally, I think this is a moot point as the marketplace has already made it essentially the standard already. This action by SAE does not increase or reduce any revenue to Tesla, nor does it change how Tesla implements NACS for SC. It just increases entropy for SAE, as an industry and lobby organization.

A "standard" should have nothing to do with a "marketplace" or popularity or anything like that.

 

[SASSquatch]

As soon as Elon needs a distraction from something he said or did it will happen

Cybertruck MSRP comes to mind!

 

[TexasBob]

Hopefully SAE will do a better job of this than they did with defining automated driving systems

Level 1 - Level 5 but Level 3 can be more capable than Level 4 as long as Level 4 is more capable in a specific geo-fenced environment even if it cannot drive at all in some environments where Level 3 can drive just fine. And Level 5, which can also be the same level of driving capability as Level 3 but has a fail to safe mode if the DDS system fails... never mind.

But at least they did a super-good-job of creating the EV Charging nomenclature. Let's see... there is: Level 1, Level 2, Level 3 (someone needs to buy these guys a thesaurus). But Level 3 is something as low as 50 kw or maybe 500kw and operates on 400V or maybe 800V but it is all Level 3 because anything else is too complicated.

I guess we will have Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 NACS? Hopefully they put a stronger team on this one and, seriously, someone buy those guys a thesaurus. Even better, hire them an English major. They are inexpensive.

 

[VSG]

Notably missing from the announcement is any information from Tesla. Did Tesla submit their proprietary specification to SAE? That would imply Tesla signed a statement of intent saying they would transfer their IP and copyright/trademark rights to the standards body as part of the process. Absent some positive statement from Tesla saying they are relinquishing their "NACS" control, it sounds to me more like SAE is just joining the mob to be relevant and undertaking this process on their own. If Tesla hasn't committed to adhering to the PKI part, for example, then it doesn't matter if "NACS" becomes a standard connector - we still won't be able to charger at superchargers without kissing the ring.

 

[SANZC02]

Hopefully SAE will do a better job of this than they did with defining automated driving systems

Level 1 - Level 5 but Level 3 can be more capable than Level 4 as long as Level 4 is more capable in a specific geo-fenced environment even if it cannot drive at all in some environments where Level 3 can drive just fine. And Level 5, which can also be the same level of driving capability as Level 3 but has a fail to safe mode if the DDS system fails... never mind.

But at least they did a super-good-job of creating the EV Charging nomenclature. Let's see... there is: Level 1, Level 2, Level 3 (someone needs to buy these guys a thesaurus). But Level 3 is something as low as 50 kw or maybe 500kw and operates on 400V or maybe 800V but it is all Level 3 because anything else is too complicated.

I guess we will have Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 NACS? Hopefully they put a stronger team on this one and, seriously, someone buy those guys a thesaurus. Even better, hire them an English major. They are inexpensive.

I never looked looked at Level 1, 2, and 3 as charging speed, always went by

Level 1 120 volt, AC
Level 2 240 volt AC
Level 3 DC

Anything from the government is a hot mess. If I ever want a good laugh (or cry) I just read some of the tax codes. ?

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