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I can’t comment on the specific range question, though I have found over 15 months of R1S ownership that the car’s range projections and EPA estimates tend to be more accurate than Tesla’s.

And as a 2013 Model S to 2016 Model X to 2023 R1S owner I can attest that the R1S can hold much more cargo than the X, and the third row seats are more comfortable and a lot less claustrophobic. Even the Model S can hold more cargo than the X if you have the 6 seat version or the original 7 seater with bucket seats that don’t fold flat.
Aah ok. We have the optional 3rd row jump seats in the Model S and have used it many times for my toddlers. But in Tesla, it's either third row or cargo, not both. But we always have 2 dogs going with us so a real 3rd row and room for two dogs would be ideal.

Interesting you say that R1S- has more room than x, it seemed that way to me in pictures so good to get confirmation.
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Can you elaborate? We have liked the Tesla ownership experience. Charging is a non issue when we need it and there are two service centers within 40 minutes of me. I recently had a rear end collision repair which was handled satisfactorily and the X has been around for a decade so it's a refined product.

Is that what you are referring to when you say what we give up going from Tesla to Rivian?

Also, is there a brick and mortar service station in the general DFW area?!?
The lack of "everywhere" charging has been an issue, and the lack of Autopilot just sucks. I ran on AP 98% of the time, it was good and reliable nearly everywhere. The Rivian's automation is so far behind and so very limited on where it works. Below are notes my wife and I have made over time, as we've been asked to compare them many times.


Rivian Tesla comparison


Missing in comparison to Tesla:


There’s no autopilot on streets and nearly anywhere.

Not charging notification when at home and forget to plug in.

Doesn’t notify if doors/trunk/etc open too long.

Tesla has much better air filtration, no dust.

Texting via Bluetooth doesn’t exist in the Rivian.

No ability do have cruise auto set to limit +X. Rivian cruise is trash.

No automatic turn signal management.

No automatic calendar appointment routing.

Tesla AC vents are just better, more comfortable.

The Rivian EVSE doesn’t have optional dongles for other plugs like Tesla.

The USB power outlets are extremely low powered and can’t even run Qi chargers (MagSafe, etc).

Overall software maturity, both features and just overall polish/usability.



Rivian parts and accessories are often insanely overpriced, but Tesla is not. For example, the jack pucks for a Rivian range from $80 to $130, and for a Tesla they are $15-20.



Tesla is missing:

Charger ratings and issues.


iPhone Live Activity on lock screen with charger data.


Rivian is much quieter.


Rivian air conditioner has floor vents, and also automatically remembers to always turn on the rear seat cooling.
 

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Is that what you are referring to when you say what we give up going from Tesla to Rivian?

Also, is there a brick and mortar service station in the general DFW area?!?
Not the author of this, but as my Wife owns a Model3 that I drive quite often, I can also chime in.
First of all, I live in Arlington, TX and yes there's a Service Center in Dallas (right next to Lovefield Airport).

What you're giving up from Tesla is (mostly) software. Their software is WAY more polished and the Autopilot/Hw Assistance is miles ahead of Rivian. If that's a MUST for you, then I wouldn't consider the R1S.

In terms of ride quality from the ModelS to the R1S, I think while the Model S rides better, you're comparing Apples to Oranges. The R1S rides very nicely and so does my R1T to be honest :)
 

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...How is the ride quality in R1S- It has air suspension does it not? I understand it won't be as good as a sedan, but just how good/bad is it? And I take it the driving assists are a few generations behind. Tesla?
If she is used to a truck ride, no issue with a Rivian.

Air suspension on Rivian is supposed to be much improved for gen 2. I can only speak for gen 1 and it has issues in my mind. It works fairly well in Standard ride height but it gets harsher with lower suspension settings. At the lowest, the damping is insufficient and reminds me of old fashion cut coil springs suspension. I /my wife doesn't use high as I am not a fan of high ride height and increased body roll due to higher cg relative to suspension (and we don't off road).

With the vehicle being so heavy, it's very difficult to get a good balance between the firm suspension setting and good ride quality. I've found that with the current firmware, Sport/Low/Firm provides the best handling response on a fairly smooth roads. On the average, it feels like Rivian has optimized the suspension settings to favor All Purpose/Standard/Moderate setting. Soft suspension setting is bit too bouncy for our liking.

I noticed that driving assist was answered in detail so I won't bother but there is one comment on that post, that I disagree with. Rivian is NOT quieter than Model S. Tesla is much quieter than Rivian in my experience.
 

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Out of spec review says otherwise, hence my question here from real world experience not rated epa miles. Lot of chatter about Max being just a large plus with lower buffer and $10k premium for 30 miles over large.
I put my gen 1 in conserve and get the mileage it says or better so long as I'm going under 75 with cruise control on. I usually switch to AP mode when I pull up to the charger so the truck figures out range based on that, switch to conserve on the highway and I always gain mileage. I've never had a problem with my R1.
 

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range can vary greatly as you probably know. Max pack is probably the best choice for you.

Mileage is only one piece of the puzzle so to speak. Elevation change, weather, etc will also affect range on your route.

I would suggest visiting https://abetterrouteplanner.com selecting the vehicle your considering with the wheel/tire and battery options then plugging in some of your frequent destinations and see what your trip will look like.

Hope this helps.

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I would suggest visiting https://abetterrouteplanner.com selecting the vehicle your considering with the wheel/tire and battery options then plugging in some of your frequent destinations and see what your trip will look like.

Hope this helps.

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This. Put in the actual trip you want to take with each vehicle and adjust the mi/kwh estimate to something reasonable for each vehicle. Then see what the travel time is for each trip/vehicle combo. There was another forum member considering a switch from Model S to R1T and I used ABRP to compare a 365 mile trip between the two vehicles. The travel times were identical between the two vehicles with 1 charging stop needed.
 

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I am dubious of Rivian range claims with the large pack. It lost 20% of capacity vs. Gen1 and EPA range barely went down.
 

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I am dubious of Rivian range claims with the large pack. It lost 20% of capacity vs. Gen1 and EPA range barely went down.

I can’t answer this, but I have a Gen2 Dual Standard R1T, and I get right around the 258 EPA rating in summer/fall, and I’m seeing a very slight drop to about 243 in the regular freezing temps this week.

I also have a 2023 MYLR and I see a sharper decline in range during winter as a total percentage.

Of course, my R1T has an LFP battery, but both vehicles have heat pumps.

I enjoy driving my T better, it’s got great power, handling, etc, especially for a truck. The Y can top end faster 60-80 for passing, but it’s a smaller vehicle so that’s expected.

I’ve used the auto pilot on the T a few times and it’s been good, but to be fair, I live in rural Maine so neither companies technology is very good here.

Overall interface is slightly better on Tesla, but I’m confident Rivian will continue to improve given the JV with VW. Already have seen major audio improvements in the 2 months I’ve owed it.

The matrix headlights on the T actually work and are awesome, whereas the Y has the tech but it’s still not enabled.

Hope some of that helps!
 

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I can’t answer this, but I have a Gen2 Dual Standard R1T, and I get right around the 258 EPA rating in summer/fall, and I’m seeing a very slight drop to about 243 in the regular freezing temps this week.

I also have a 2023 MYLR and I see a sharper decline in range during winter as a total percentage.

Of course, my R1T has an LFP battery, but both vehicles have heat pumps.

I enjoy driving my T better, it’s got great power, handling, etc, especially for a truck. The Y can top end faster 60-80 for passing, but it’s a smaller vehicle so that’s expected.

I’ve used the auto pilot on the T a few times and it’s been good, but to be fair, I live in rural Maine so neither companies technology is very good here.

Overall interface is slightly better on Tesla, but I’m confident Rivian will continue to improve given the JV with VW. Already have seen major audio improvements in the 2 months I’ve owed it.

The matrix headlights on the T actually work and are awesome, whereas the Y has the tech but it’s still not enabled.

Hope some of that helps!
Thanks. Got a R1T quad first gen and love it. Kinda thinking about replacing 2019 X with an R1S, so would really like to get real world range feedback on large pack.
 

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Thanks. Got a R1T quad first gen and love it. Kinda thinking about replacing 2019 X with an R1S, so would really like to get real world range feedback on large pack.
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Thanks. Got a R1T quad first gen and love it. Kinda thinking about replacing 2019 X with an R1S, so would really like to get real world range feedback on large pack.
@Rade has a new Large pack T, maybe they can chime in. I know they only started delivering the new Large packs about a month ago.
 

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I traded in my Y for a R1S, the range was advertised 330 but realistically 274 at best. My R1S is rated 300 (275ish after the tire upgrade) and seems to be accurate.
 

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Good morning, all!

We own a home, we need and use a truck to do "truck things" related to home ownership, only now, with the R1T... we do that in style!

I had a 2019 Nissan Frontier that I used as a trade to offset the lease on a custom R1T-Large. We ordered the R1T on September 28, delivery was 8 weeks later. Before ordering we assessed our annual driving habits and realized, using our home as a base, that the greatest distance we generally drive for weekend get-aways is no more than a 120 miles, one way. The large battery pack gave us that extra range is we need. Rivian suggests that for normal use, recharge the battery to 85%. That has given us around 284 miles of range (I see that on the battery indicator on the drivers console after charging is compelte). FWIW, when I turn in last night, the battery range was at 54% / 182 miles. R1T sat in a cold garage (34 degrees) all night. This morning I unlocked it, got in, powered up and the battery was still at 54% / 182 miles. No power vampires in the system.

For home recharging, I had a NEMA 14-50r outlet installed by a local electrician ($160) in the garage, and I bought an off-the-shelf L2 charger off Amazon ($140) that matched the specs of the Rivian portable charging unit. The R1T is my "daily driver" which (so far) constitutes morning runs to the gym and local errands, longer weekend errands of about 100 miles. Not really doing high-mileage driving yet. For now, I've been waiting until the truck to goes below 50% remaining charge before I plug it in (still learning to time it out for when the house solar is generating the most power). Today I have some errands that will take me to a supermarket with a free charge available for customers (according to the Rivian app). I am going to try it out today. We got our NACS adapter from Rivian yesterday, and there are seveal Tesla charging stations around the region, too. This is my first EV; we have owned hybrids over the years (Saturn Vue and a Honda CR-Z), but nothing that needed to be plugged in, so this is all new to me. The "Gotta keep it charged!" anxiety has subsided a lot.

I have primarily driven trucks since 1991. Fords, Rams, Nissans. The Rivian R1T is, by far, the best truck I have ever owned. Although I am just a few weeks into ownership, the vehicle just feels... solid. In every conceivable way.


Rivian R1T R1S Tesla owner considering R1S IMG_20241202_110525629
 

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Good morning, all!

We own a home, we need and use a truck to do "truck things" related to home ownership, only now, with the R1T... we do that in style!

I had a 2019 Nissan Frontier that I used as a trade to offset the lease on a custom R1T-Large. We ordered the R1T on September 28, delivery was 8 weeks later. Before ordering we assessed our annual driving habits and realized, using our home as a base, that the greatest distance we generally drive for weekend get-aways is no more than a 120 miles, one way. The large battery pack gave us that extra range is we need. Rivian suggests that for normal use, recharge the battery to 85%. That has given us around 284 miles of range (I see that on the battery indicator on the drivers console after charging is compelte). FWIW, when I turn in last night, the battery range was at 54% / 182 miles. R1T sat in a cold garage (34 degrees) all night. This morning I unlocked it, got in, powered up and the battery was still at 54% / 182 miles. No power vampires in the system.

For home recharging, I had a NEMA 14-50r outlet installed by a local electrician ($160) in the garage, and I bought an off-the-shelf L2 charger off Amazon ($140) that matched the specs of the Rivian portable charging unit. The R1T is my "daily driver" which (so far) constitutes morning runs to the gym and local errands, longer weekend errands of about 100 miles. Not really doing high-mileage driving yet. For now, I've been waiting until the truck to goes below 50% remaining charge before I plug it in (still learning to time it out for when the house solar is generating the most power). Today I have some errands that will take me to a supermarket with a free charge available for customers (according to the Rivian app). I am going to try it out today. We got our NACS adapter from Rivian yesterday, and there are seveal Tesla charging stations around the region, too. This is my first EV; we have owned hybrids over the years (Saturn Vue and a Honda CR-Z), but nothing that needed to be plugged in, so this is all new to me. The "Gotta keep it charged!" anxiety has subsided a lot.

I have primarily driven trucks since 1991. Fords, Rams, Nissans. The Rivian R1T is, by far, the best truck I have ever owned. Although I am just a few weeks into ownership, the vehicle just feels... solid. In every conceivable way.


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Congratulations but I would not skim on the charger. Get a decent one from a trusted company that won't catch fire in the middle of the night. YT channel State of Charge has all the chargers reviewed. The Grizzl-e chargers are priced correctly and well made (for example).
 

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For home recharging, I had a NEMA 14-50r outlet installed by a local electrician ($160) in the garage.
That price seems unfathomably low. Even if the 14-50 is right next to the panel, you'll still need a few feet of cable, a 50A GFCI breaker, some cable clamps, a box and cover plate, and a quality 14-50 receptacle. I don't think you can even get all of those things for $160 themselves, let alone factoring in some paid time for the electrician's labor!
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