Video: R2 Owner demonstrating a charging session at a Tesla SC

[DuoRivians]

IMO, its crazy people are willing to pay $50K+ today for a car that is only 400V capable. It’s really old technology.

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[VSG]

Yeah, that's why Teslas are obsolete and don't sell.

 

[DuoRivians]

Yeah, that's why Teslas are obsolete and don't sell.

Model 3/Y is less than $50K, other than the performance versions. They’re discontinuing the S/X

 

[Jeremy3292]

IMO, its crazy people are willing to pay $50K+ today for a car that is only 400V capable. It’s really old technology.

Based on your signature you paid about $100k twice for an R1S and R1T which are 400v, so $50k seems like a bargain lol. It’s the only technology readily available in the USA today. Won’t be til 2030 or so until 800v chargers are readily available and work like Tesla superchargers are everywhere today. IONNA is promising.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Model 3/Y is less than $50K, other than the performance versions. They’re discontinuing the S/X

By that metric so is R2 then. 3/Y are under and over $50k depending on trim same as R2.

 

[DuoRivians]

Based on your signature you paid about $100k twice for an R1S and R1T which are 400v, so $50k seems like a bargain lol. It’s the only technology readily available in the USA today. Won’t be til 2030 or so until 800v chargers are readily available and work like Tesla superchargers are everywhere today. IONNA is promising.

2023 is different from 2026. EV technology moves fast. 400V is two generations ago. We shouldn’t be accepting old technology because that’s what’s only viable for US based companies selling to US customers.

If the U.S. can’t get their stuff together, we should be importing the technology from China. U.S. consumers are under no obligation to ensure U.S. companies survive. Such protectionist measures only end poorly. There’s a different post here that talks about how U.S. auto demand probably peaked and on the decline, which is likely accurate

 

[DuoRivians]

By that metric so is R2 then. 3/Y are under and over $50k depending on trim same as R2.

Yeah, $45K R2 is reasonable. But people paying $60K for the launch/perf edition and thinking it’s a great use of money is where I strongly disagree.

 

[Jeremy3292]

2023 is different from 2026. EV technology moves fast. 400V is two generations ago. We shouldn’t be accepting old technology because that’s what’s only viable for US based companies selling to US customers.

If the U.S. can’t get their stuff together, we should be importing the technology from China. U.S. consumers are under no obligation to ensure U.S. companies survive. Such protectionist measures only end poorly. There’s a different post here that talks about how U.S. auto demand probably peaked and on the decline, which is likely accurate

Well I mean I agree with that, but that’s not reality. 400v is reality in the USA today and for the next few years at least. Is what it is. Charging infrastructure is a few years away and I have no doubt next gen R1 and R2 will be 800v.

 

[DuoRivians]

Well I mean I agree with that, but that’s not reality. 400v is reality in the USA today and for the next few years at least. Is what it is.

Parts of the U.S. perhaps. West coast and California are fully ready for 800V right now. Even the v4 Superchargers have upgraded to provided 325kw of charging (not talking about the 500kw ones that are still few)

 

[Jeremy3292]

Parts of the U.S. perhaps. West coast and California are fully ready for 800V right now. Even the v4 Superchargers have upgraded to provided 350kw of charging (not talking about the 500kw ones that are still few)

Yes we are all ready for it but it’s not here yet. Tesla has deployed about 10 of those V4 cabinet sites nationwide today. The 325 kW is for Cybertruck only; the cabinets are V3 and not 800v. Only the very brand new V4 cabinets sites do 800v and up to 500 kW. That’s why I said by 2030ish yeah 800v will be the standard and IONNA will also have a ton of stations everywhere too hopefully. But it’s 2026 and you have to hunt to find one that exists and also works. Technically a bunch of EA sites can do 800v but you cannot rely on them at all to just work when you plugin.

 

[DuoRivians]

Yes we are all ready for it but it’s not here yet. Tesla has deployed about 10 of those V4 cabinet sites nationwide today. The 325 kW is for Cybertruck only; the cabinets are V3 and not 800v. Only the very brand new V4 cabinets sites do 800v and up to 500 kW. That’s why I said by 2030ish yeah 800v will be the standard and IONNA will also have a ton of stations everywhere too hopefully. But it’s 2026 and you have to hunt to find one that exists and also works. Technically a bunch of EA sites can do 800v but you cannot rely on them at all to just work when you plugin.

I deleted an earlier reply, because th formatting of the message got screwed up. Even RANs are 350kw, 800v capable and plenty of EVGo, EA stations in the West coast are both 800V and highly reliable now.

We are ready for 800v cars here, and when it comes to the chicken-egg problem, the cars needs to move faster, adopting faster speeds, because the charger deployments are already here.

 

[Jeremy3292]

I deleted an earlier reply, because th formatting of the message got screwed up. Even RANs are 350kw, 800v capable and plenty of EVGo, EA stations in the West coast are both 800V and highly reliable now.

We are ready for 800v cars here, and when it comes to the chicken-egg problem, the cars needs to move faster, adopting faster speeds, because the charger deployments are already here.

Serious question: who is selling an 800v EV today that’s under $50k in the USA? I can’t think of any. You said R2 is a bad deal except under $50k. Maybe Kia or Hyundai have something?

 

[DuoRivians]

Serious question: who is selling an 800v EV today that’s under $50k in the USA? I can’t think of any. You said R2 is a bad deal except under $50k. Maybe Kia or Hyundai have something?

400v under $50k is acceptable to me, given how slowly the U.S. is moving.

But 400v max capable that’s over $50K is where I find things ridiculous.

Stated differently, if an EV is over $50K, it better have 800v now.

 

[rbdavis808]

Serious question: who is selling an 800v EV today that’s under $50k in the USA? I can’t think of any. You said R2 is a bad deal except under $50k. Maybe Kia or Hyundai have something?

Uhhh, nearly all of the 800v Korean EGMPs are now under $50K, even up into the top-spec trims. Our RWD mid-spec Ioniq5 was low $50s when purchased in '22, but the late '25 across the board $10k MSRP drops for Ioniq5 have made the car very price-competitive (assuming you can tolerate the ICCU risk ). We love the car (and are now on ICCU #2).

 

[cwq93r]

For the few road trips a vast majority of people take the 800V discussion is kind of pointless. I’ve had an Ioniq 5 since 2022. 800V vehicle and I can tell you given the infrastructure that I’ve had to deal with on road trips, it has not helped. Things are improving, but I don’t see much changing for the next few years.
Look at Out of Spec’s last East Coast race. The only 800V vehicle that did well were the Gravities.

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