What did they do to ABRP?!?

[strykerwsu]

The current version also won’t let you change vehicles - I have both our Rivians linked - and its stuck on our R1T - hopefully this is just a bug which will get fixed quickly. (provided feedback to them).

@strykerwsu - I'm on iOS (v7.0.1) it’s gone from being ugly but great, to vaguely pretty but utterly useless for all but basic route planning. Apparently they are working to get the previous feature set back.

I can change between my EV's.

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[schwartz83]

I loved that. I use Gemini and CoPilot daily and I provide a fair amount of detail as well to try to get to a more accurate initial answer with less iterations. Nice job.

Are you referring to Gemini AI or is there an app by the same name? Thanks!

 

[Dark-Fx]

The current version also won’t let you change vehicles - I have both our Rivians linked - and its stuck on our R1T - hopefully this is just a bug which will get fixed quickly. (provided feedback to them).

You don't have the little arrow on iOS? Works fine on my android.

 

[runwithscissors]

FWIW, I used Gemini to plan my trip out to big bend and it was vastly superior anyway. It was much more intelligent about choosing places and times to charge to minimize traffic, lowest cost charging, and get the best places for lunch, route by interesting sites etc. It is easy to just tell it things like what sort of after market tires I have and the fact that I bought a one month Tesla membership and do not want anything with fewer than six stalls and less than 150 kw. It immediately grasps the implications of all those things and creates a custom route. (It also can pull up the weather and make adjustments as appropriate.)

It makes me wonder whether these special purpose software platforms are all about to go the way of the dinosaurs. In any case ABRP is now in the dust bin for me.

Same, use Gemini for everything and it amazes me how smart it really is. My pinned chats to reference past conversations is so awesome. I recently started using it to find discount codes on various sites as well. Hoping for Rivian integration here shortly because I disabled Alexa day 1 years ago.

 

[schwartz83]

Are you referring to Gemini AI or is there an app by the same name? Thanks!

Read through a few earlier posts and see Gemini refers to Gemini AI. What a great use for AI...I need to up my game drastically. I don't use it at all.

 

[scottf200]

Same, use Gemini for everything and it amazes me how smart it really is. My pinned chats to reference past conversations is so awesome. I recently started using it to find discount codes on various sites as well. Hoping for Rivian integration here shortly because I disabled Alexa day 1 years ago.

Read through a few earlier posts and see Gemini refers to Gemini AI. What a great use for AI...I need to up my game drastically. I don't use it at all.

I use both AI LLMs primarily in a web browser in their own seperate window just for AI stuff.
I regular give Google Gemini and Microsoft CoPilot the same input prompt. They often give different perspectives or add unique, nuanced tangents. If some aspect of the main answer is pretty different then I give that piece to the other one to get its perspective.

I like Gemini overall and it has nudged ahead of CoPilot in some ways for me in the past several months.

Gemini also has a great feature to save the results in a Google Doc on my G-Drive so that can be handy and one alternative to save for searching later or to give to someone else (link or PDF). You can also just give other a generated link (Gemini "Share Conversation" or CoPilot "Invite") to your conversation but make sure it is a new conversation and does not have other prompts in it.

 

[portdirect]

You don't have the little arrow on iOS? Works fine on my android.

I do - but clicking on ‘Bluey’ has no effect, and I stay on ‘Muffin’.

 

[David Cieslak]

FWIW, I used Gemini to plan my trip out to big bend and it was vastly superior anyway. It was much more intelligent about choosing places and times to charge to minimize traffic, lowest cost charging, and get the best places for lunch, route by interesting sites etc. It is easy to just tell it things like what sort of after market tires I have and the fact that I bought a one month Tesla membership and do not want anything with fewer than six stalls and less than 150 kw. It immediately grasps the implications of all those things and creates a custom route. (It also can pull up the weather and make adjustments as appropriate.)

It makes me wonder whether these special purpose software platforms are all about to go the way of the dinosaurs. In any case ABRP is now in the dust bin for me.

Would you share your Gemini prompt on this thread? Would love to see how you’ve optimized.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I do - but clicking on ‘Bluey’ has no effect, and I stay on ‘Muffin’.

Weird. Works here. Android is on 7.0.2 though.

 

[portdirect]

Weird. Works here. Android is on 7.0.2 though.

Got it working again! Ended up deleting bluey via the web app and then re-adding in the app. Lost all drive history in the process though

May just start over - though I’m sure largely cosmetic - our T is now showing as an S:

 

[Bullwinkle]

I logged into ABRP to do a trip plan on the web and the 7.0 update (Jan 22?) makes it nearly unusable and truly awful. It now gives you three options and it is extremely difficult to customize (changing locations, changing arrive and leave charging percentages, etc.). It is now far too dependent on its (mediocre) algorithm. Just awful. Went for being the best tool to one of the worst in the past few weeks.

Now I need to find something else. Anyone have luck with a different tool? Otherwise I will probably just use Gemini since it seems to do a lot better anyway. ugh

The iPhone app or the Rivian app?

 

[tate16t]

I use both AI LLMs primarily in a web browser in their own seperate window just for AI stuff.
I regular give Google Gemini and Microsoft CoPilot the same input prompt. They often give different perspectives or add unique, nuanced tangents. If some aspect of the main answer is pretty different then I give that piece to the other one to get its perspective.

I like Gemini overall and it has nudged ahead of CoPilot in some ways for me in the past several months.

Gemini also has a great feature to save the results in a Google Doc on my G-Drive so that can be handy and one alternative to save for searching later or to give to someone else (link or PDF). You can also just give other a generated link (Gemini "Share Conversation" or CoPilot "Invite") to your conversation but make sure it is a new conversation and does not have other prompts in it.

With all the AI tools, you have to be careful regarding the information you receive. In some cases you have to check multiple resources, Gemini, Copilot and ChatGPT etc.

 

[portdirect]

With all the AI tools, you have to be careful regarding the information you receive. In some cases you have to check multiple resources, Gemini, Copilot and ChatGPT etc.

### Strict Grounding Contract

1. **No Fabrication**
- Do not invent facts, fields, versions, APIs, metrics, paths, configurations, or decisions.
- If not explicitly provided or verifiable, respond:
`Insufficient information.`

2. **Mandatory Evidence Tagging**
- Every non-trivial claim must be labeled:
- `Fact:` directly supported by provided input or cited source.
- `Inference:` logical deduction with stated basis.
- No unlabeled assertions.

3. **Traceability**
- Each `Fact:` must reference its source (input section, document name, or citation).
- If a source cannot be identified, do not state the claim.

4. **Uncertainty Disclosure**
- If confidence is not high, append:
`Confidence: low | medium | high`

5. **Conflict Handling**
- If sources conflict, state the conflict explicitly. Do not resolve without evidence.

Non-compliance invalidates the response.

...of course occasionally I have to ask `did you follow the grounding rules here?`

It's a fun world of pseudo-psychology we are entering into.

 

[Rivianero]

Thanks for the heads up and good tip for using AI on route planning.

I'm also an ABRP subscriber. We used it in January to plan our Austin to Florida Lays trip, towing our boat. I can definitely concur with the rough edges in both the web and mobile app. It is also overly conservative on range estimates, IMHO, which can cause unnecessary stops. Finally, the newish features to tell it you have a Tesla subscription or to prefer "trailer friendly" chargers rarely worked well for us. We were routinely routed to Rivian RAN chargers when there were better Tesla chargers nearby with faster charging, and more stations at half the charging cost.

Per the suggestion AI prompt, we found it better to seek out places with 10+ charging stations than to rely on self-reported "trailer friendliness".

Will give the AI method a go on our way back to Texas next month and report how it goes.

I use Gemini daily and have a subscription via Gsuite. I would strongly suggest that anyone using it should use the Thinking or Pro modes and to personally validate outputs. The models are biased toward returning results to please the user and definitely will make shit up, provide half-truths that technically satisfy the prompt, or sometimes be just dead wrong. (e.g., it will happily outline a procedure for changing the oil in your EV.) This is not to say that these are not valuable tools. Just check the work.

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