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I've owned a 2017 MS and a 2020 MY (and sold when Elon Eloned). And if you're after a A to B appliance the Tesla's are hard to beat. But life is more than going A to B. Signed Eager R2 reservation holder.
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The never-ending "R1 is HUGE" complaints always crack me up. I assume these folks generally drive in old cities with terrible parking as Rivians aren't even "full-size". Honda Pilot/Toyota Highland/et al are similarly sized as R1S and the latest Tacoma/Frontier are basically R1T size. The actual full size stuff dwarfs R1.
So true, here in rural farm country, surrounded by F-250s, RAMs and Silverados, I often feel like my R1T is a compact.
 
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The desire to base a decision on buying a 50-100k object to only solely be " self diven " makes me wonder at times how many Lyft rides they could take for $60k....
Between the fun twisty roads or off road adventures where we want to be driving, there are 100s of miles of open boring highways where a good self-driving can be relaxing.
 

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The desire to base a decision on buying a 50-100k object to only solely be " self diven " makes me wonder at times how many Lyft rides they could take for $60k....
For me, it isn't my "sole" reason, but to be fair, there are plenty of times when I'm glad I have FSD. I just took a round-trip from Garner, NC, to Baltimore, MD, along I-95 this past weekend for an Orioles game (about 350-ish miles one-way). I had FSD on for roughly 95% of the round trip, including brain-melting traffic in Northern VA going and coming.

This was leaving my house (it backed out of my driveway and drove us) and ending at our breakfast stop in S. Chesterfield. I took the wheel only twice the whole time (once in Smithfield because there was construction, and the entrance to I-95 had shifted from the right side of the road to the left, and the car didn't know it yet):

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For highway driving, FSD is my go-to. Interstate driving is a mind-suck. Hell, I even use it on my daily commute, taking the kids to school and picking them up.

I'm getting an R2 with the "hope" that it'll eventually be able to do the same thing.
 

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The never-ending "R1 is HUGE" complaints always crack me up. I assume these folks generally drive in old cities with terrible parking as Rivians aren't even "full-size". Honda Pilot/Toyota Highland/et al are similarly sized as R1S and the latest Tacoma/Frontier are basically R1T size. The actual full size stuff dwarfs R1.
This. If you think the R1T is huge go test drive an F-250
 

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We have both Teslas (M3, MY, had MS before - and love them) and a R1T Gen2 (love it). Our family friends have only Teslas (M3 and MX). Their kids are blown away with R1's looks, presence. They bought a R1S for one day but returned it next day and immediately purchased and picked up a MY. Their reasons:
- R1 is beautiful, powerful but very big. We all knew that would be the case.
- R2 is likely the best car for them, but they couldn't wait that long.
- But really what killed the Rivian option for them - they didn't realize how much they used the AutoPilot/FSD in their current Teslas that they missed in other cars and in R1S. They also test drove Lucid Gravity (really liked the interior, exterior not so much - like a minivan, but again no autopilot), Benz EQS (felt even it's own company is abandoning it), as well as a Taycan (cramped seats & old tech!).

They realized they are VERY DEPENDENT on the Tesla cars' EASY nature - teens and parents can easily switch between cars for driving, the Tesla mobile app (works so well), zero learning curve moving between M3, MX and now MY...it is very much an Apple experience. Those who are on Apple ecosystems (phones, iCloud storage, MACs, AppleTV etc.) will realize just how difficult it is to move to non-Apples, and this is the SAME EFFECT with Teslas. And the autopilot/FSD (if you are using it today you know...) is a real differentiator. Rivian needs to move real fast on autonomy to have a global true successful competition to Tesla - for themselves as well as for VW.
We are in the same boat (or SUV). Our MY tells us we use FSD 98% of the time. Our R1S has some real advantages (not to mention a sane CEO, and a mission-driven company), but they need real autonomy, and it’s hard to allocate the resources given the cash burn and the bet-the-company focus on R2. Hey, can we at least have self-parking?
 

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The desire to base a decision on buying a 50-100k object to only solely be " self diven " makes me wonder at times how many Lyft rides they could take for $60k....
The desire to base a decision on buying a 50-100k object to only solely drive it around makes me wonder how many Enterprise rentals you could do for $60k. That was actual math we did when we ran as a single-car house for a while. But the answer is that both Lyft/Uber and rentals added too much inconvenience and friction. And also, the math is incorrect in your proposal, obviously. You have to consider total cost of ownership and eventual resale.

I would 100% buy a Tesla over anything else, outside of needing a truck. The Tesla offering in that category is an obvious joke. But I waited on buying a Rivian until after driving a CT to be sure. The other trucks are just too old-think and with shit tech. So there's only one option for us. Buying a Rivian SUV seems like a generic choice, and there are likely better options.
 

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Between the fun twisty roads or off road adventures where we want to be driving, there are 100s of miles of open boring highways where a good self-driving can be relaxing.

I should add. I'm not agaist FSD by any means. I have a round trip 108 mile daily commute and for trafficy parts and boring stretches I'd welcome it. I more wonder on how we make quite expensive ( to me $50-100k purchase is substantive ) on a particular line item. I joke here in physics that I'm going to buy a $60k flashlight..
 

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For me, it isn't my "sole" reason, but to be fair, there are plenty of times when I'm glad I have FSD. I just took a round-trip from Garner, NC, to Baltimore, MD, along I-95 this past weekend for an Orioles game (about 350-ish miles one-way). I had FSD on for roughly 95% of the round trip, including brain-melting traffic in Northern VA going and coming.

This was leaving my house (it backed out of my driveway and drove us) and ending at our breakfast stop in S. Chesterfield. I took the wheel only twice the whole time (once in Smithfield because there was construction, and the entrance to I-95 had shifted from the right side of the road to the left, and the car didn't know it yet):

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For highway driving, FSD is my go-to. Interstate driving is a mind-suck. Hell, I even use it on my daily commute, taking the kids to school and picking them up.

I'm getting an R2 with the "hope" that it'll eventually be able to do the same thing.
Well put and whole heartedly agree. While I love to drive and get that sentiment, a lot of driving when you really think about is boring as hell commuting or being stuck in traffic. This is where I truly found the value prop of FSD. When it comes to road trips or sitting in stop and go traffic, I'll gladly just be an observer.

Since we have a Model Y and I've really come to enjoy it, I feel like they aren't any true alternatives to FSD (yet). I'm banking on Rivian being the one likely to figure it out so I'm betting the same on the R2. RJ touts point to point by end of year so we'll see if they can deliver for sure.
 

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I more wonder on how we make quite expensive ( to me $50-100k purchase is substantive ) on a particular line item.
I'll assume this is an honest question, because to me it seems so odd. When my truck drove me 1700 miles recently, in very high comfort, with a lot of space, and all my creature comforts at hand like a fridge with cold drinks...that made it worth the cost. To me. I have a Comma self driving system to make up for Rivian's shortcomings. Self driving doesn't erase the value of a luxury vehicle.

And hell, I've let the Comma drive me off road. One of my top reasons for the Rivian over others was off roading. BUT...even then, there might be half an hour of dead boring flat dirt between fun.
 

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I hear a lot of mention how FSD on Tesla really help with long drives...but for those long stretches, I don't find that you need FSD. Any of the many cars equipped with lane maintain and traffic aware cruise control can pretty much do the same for free. We've done many road trips in both our Model 3 (autopilot) and R1T and the long stretches were handled just fine...

So this may be an unpopular opinion, but in my mind, if that's the main reason you want FSD, I think you'd be just as happy saving the money and using a more basic system that's free.

But each person is different. My sister-in-law almost always drives with FSD. I don't have the patience for it, and for local driving, I actually prefer driving myself. So I get that some people just want to not bother driving and let FSD do most of their driving now. I'm just not one of those people...when I drive, I'm just focused on the driving aspect and enjoying it. I don't even listen to music...lol
 

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So this may be an unpopular opinion, but in my mind, if that's the main reason you want FSD, I think you'd be just as happy saving the money and using a more basic system that's free.
I agree, but AP is now gone (or being removed soon). I think that EAP or what the Comma does is perfect, because you give up 98% of the workload. So I have to turn into a parking lot manually.

The old Rivian highway-only system is far from enough however.
 

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I hear a lot of mention how FSD on Tesla really help with long drives...but for those long stretches, I don't find that you need FSD. Any of the many cars equipped with lane maintain and traffic aware cruise control can pretty much do the same for free.
Yep. Our iX has pretty stellar ADAS, but I never rely on it with complete hands off so it's not all that relaxing, but the slightly "less attention" mode, sure that's fine, it's a touch above speed control, with lane centering, I might let go here and there. It's just not a huge thing for us. We go to the Keys about every year, ~400 miles, lots of I-95, I don't use it that much.
 

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I hear a lot of mention how FSD on Tesla really help with long drives...but for those long stretches, I don't find that you need FSD. Any of the many cars equipped with lane maintain and traffic aware cruise control can pretty much do the same for free. We've done many road trips in both our Model 3 (autopilot) and R1T and the long stretches were handled just fine...

So this may be an unpopular opinion, but in my mind, if that's the main reason you want FSD, I think you'd be just as happy saving the money and using a more basic system that's free.

But each person is different. My sister-in-law almost always drives with FSD. I don't have the patience for it, and for local driving, I actually prefer driving myself. So I get that some people just want to not bother driving and let FSD do most of their driving now. I'm just not one of those people...when I drive, I'm just focused on the driving aspect and enjoying it. I don't even listen to music...lol
This is a fair point IMO. If Rivian can give us FSD like on road trips that's good enough for me. Interstates for sure but long drives on backroads or the old numbered highways is also important.
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