Max Pack delayed to 2024 according to configurator / email ?

[shrink]

I'm almost tempted to put down 3-4 additional max pack orders just to bump demand numbers. Figure that you can always cancel before they deliver... not like there's any rush.

I think that would be pointless. I believe new reservations can only browse configurations but can’t lock in any configurations into a preorder, so Rivian would never know those orders are for a Max Pack R1T.

Anyone know if there is even a distinction between T and S new reservations? If so, I imagine one can still switch between models freely.

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[IdahoNativeNate]

I think that would be pointless. I believe new reservations can only browse configurations but can’t lock in any configurations into a preorder, so Rivian would never know those orders are for a Max Pack R1T.

Anyone know if there is even a distinction between T and S new reservations? If so, I imagine one can still switch between models freely.

Damn... see that change. Maybe it is just time to cancel the order and move on...

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

After seeing the continued delays (and possibility of it still being "vapor") I'll most likely be buying another ICE truck. Wonder how many others are thinking the same way? ?

Replying to my own comment. Just venting a bit. Walked out to my current truck to head home last night and got another check engine light when I started it up. Same d**** piece of emissions equipment I've replaced twice already. I need a truck to run my business, wish I could wait until 2025 but this is getting frustrating. 235,000 miles on my current truck, don't think it's going to make it till then. Looks like I'll be buying another ICE vehicle to hold me over until Max Pack comes along (if ever).

Paying more in repairs on my old ICE truck each month (mostly due to fuel & emissions systems) than what a new car payment would be. Very frustrating. ?

 

[DJG]

You need the bigger battery if you do any extensive towing, as it will drop your mileage by as much as 50% or more, depending on the ambient temperature. The current battery towing in snowy conditions may give you 100 miles only

Yeah, that's certainly one. Though that extra 100 miles only becomes 50 or less in those conditions. But I can see certain scenarios where that makes all the difference.

 

[DJG]

Think out of the box a little... when you haul or tow.. we are talking big drop in distances.

Sure, just not a common job so didn't think about it at first. But also as I noted in another response, that extra range gets cut in half too, so then you're paying $10k for up to 50 miles of added range. If it's the difference in having to charge or not, then probably worth it.

My main point was that for the typical work truck (around town, driving less than 150 mi/day) the smallest battery and lowest cost is the best option.

 

[SRTConvert]

I'm adopting more of a wait and see approach. If we are locked in to a current spec R1T in 2024 (no opportunity for an upgrade to 800V, etc.), even with the pre-March 1 price, competitors may be introducing better options.

 

[emoore]

Sure, just not a common job so didn't think about it at first. But also as I noted in another response, that extra range gets cut in half too, so then you're paying $10k for up to 50 miles of added range. If it's the difference in having to charge or not, then probably worth it.

My main point was that for the typical work truck (around town, driving less than 150 mi/day) the smallest battery and lowest cost is the best option.

The limited extra range while towing for the max pack is the main reason I'm ok with saving $10k and getting my truck sooner. I did the math and I'll probably only go 250-300 miles a day towing a trailer. That means 2 charging stops. The max pack might have been able to get that down to 1 stop but I don' think it's worth it.

 

[klkmd]

Yeah, that's certainly one. Though that extra 100 miles only becomes 50 or less in those conditions. But I can see certain scenarios where that makes all the difference.

Personally and it may only be me, but if you do extensive towing, it is not worth spending an additional $8-$10K for the max battery in any EV truck. Better to go gas or diesel and get 500 miles of towing and reenter the EV market in 3-4 years when they improve the battery capacity. I've looked at this extensively and talked with a number of truckers (I'm one who drove an F150 for 20 years, and a Sierra Denali with the old rear wheel steering (it was fantastic for parking) and though I have a R1T, and I love the handling, when the new model Ford, Chevy and GMC trucks come out, I will be looking to possibly trade back to gas/diesel, just not sure yet as things are in flux and I want to see where this all settles out. For everyday driving, the R1T is outstanding

 

[zefram47]

For some of us the extra range means we can do local towing without worrying about a recharge. One of the local race tracks is 75 miles from my house. For me at least, Max pack means I can go have fun and not recharge on the way home. The number of times I might tow long distance in a year are so small as to not matter and I'd rather have the EV than get an ICE tow pig.

 

[Tahoe Man]

Take into account an increased resale value

Personally and it may only be me, but if you do extensive towing, it is not worth spending an additional $8-$10K for the max battery in any EV truck. Better to go gas or diesel and get 500 miles of towing and reenter the EV market in 3-4 years when they improve the battery capacity. I've looked at this extensively and talked with a number of truckers (I'm one who drove an F150 for 20 years, and a Sierra Denali with the old rear wheel steering (it was fantastic for parking) and though I have a R1T, and I love the handling, when the new model Ford, Chevy and GMC trucks come out, I will be looking to possibly trade back to gas/diesel, just not sure yet as things are in flux and I want to see where this all settles out. For everyday driving, the R1T is outstanding

Agree. However i don't think much will change in 3-4 years. Towing with an EV just isn't practical unless it's a something simple like across town.

There's nothing that will beat the simplicity, quickness, convieance and pricing of gasoline/diesel anytime soon or in the future.

 

[HyperionMark]

Take into account an increased resale value


Agree. However i don't think much will change in 3-4 years. Towing with an EV just isn't practical unless it's a something simple like across town.

There's nothing that will beat the simplicity, quickness, convieance and pricing of gasoline/diesel anytime soon or in the future.

Pricing? Referring to energy or the truck itself?

 

[Yossarian]

Honestly If I were a max pack holder I would either switch or go with something else temporarily at this point. Likely will be 2+ years before it materializes?

edit: corrected typo
If Rivian does indeed proceed with the quad-motor R1T Max, something that seems to be far from assured, I suspect that delivery in meaningful numbers will not begin until at least 2025. It's pretty clear that at this point, whatever engineering design was originally in place for the Max has been abandoned. What's not clear is where Rivian is with the new design.

Rivian stated some time ago that the Max represented about 20% of R1T orders, so there is not a great deal of incentive to speed up its introduction. The reverse is true for the dual-motor however. There is a lot of demand for this less expensive model, and so quite a bit of incentive for Rivian to get the dual-motor to market as quickly as possible. Add to all of that the pressure on Rivian to hit their production and sales targets, which means that most of the manufacturing focus is on the R1S and R1T LR Adventures (and of course the EDV's.)

My guess then is that the R1T Max has a low priority for Rivian, which in turn almost certainly means that its development will be more prolonged, with production and delivery significantly delayed. I would not be surprised to see delivery of the Max pushed beyond 2025.

I'm actually OK with that kind of delay. The already lengthy Rivian delay forced me to reformulate my family transportation plans. I've now got a newer, very capable ICE SUV, and next year, should be taking delivery of a smaller BEV that will do commuting and around-town chores. The biggest, kind of hidden benefit of the wait is that by 2025, the charging network will be much improved. Depending on the level of improvement, this could make a change back to the R1T LR feasible, and at the pre-March pricing to boot.

 

[Riviandog]

Fair assessment. Nothing wrong with adjusting business plans based on market and economic pressures.

Stringing along reservation holders with empty promises to deliver with numerous missed dates and continued dangling of the hope carrot is disingenuous and shameful.

 

[emoore]

If Rivian does indeed proceed with the quad-motor R1T Max, something that seems to be far from assured, I suspect that delivery in meaningful numbers will not begin until at least 2025. It's pretty clear that at this point, whatever engineering design was originally in place for the Max has been abandoned. What's not clear is where Rivian is with the new design.

Rivian stated some time ago that the Max represented about 20% of R1T orders, so there is not a great deal of incentive to speed up its introduction. The reverse is true for the dual-motor however. There is a lot of demand for this less expensive model, and so quite a bit of incentive for Rivian to get the dual-motor to market as quickly as possible. Add to all of that the pressure on Rivian to hit there production and sales targets, which means that most of the manufacturing focus is on the R1S and R1T LR Adventures (and of course the EDV's.)

My guess then is that the R1T Max has a low priority for Rivian, which in turn almost certainly means that its development will be more prolonged. I would not be surprised to see delivery of the Max pushed beyond 2025.

I'm actually OK with that kind of delay. The alredy lengthy Rivian delay forced me to reformulate my family transportation plans. I've now got a newer, very capable ICE SUV, and next year, should be taking delivery of a smaller BEV that will do commuting and around-town chores. The biggest benefit of the wait is that by 2025, the charging network will be much improved. Depending on the level of improvement, this could make a change back to the R1T LR feasible, and at the pre-March pricing to boot.

Totally agree with your assessment. And those 20% max pack holders are probably less than 10% since a significant number have switched. I think that if they are going to move the quad max pack to 2025 or later, that the original pricing will not apply. But that's just my skeptical self.

 

[IdahoNativeNate]

Honestly.. I won’t switch to dual unless it's 10k+ cheaper. Quad is for true 4x4 drive. Dual goes back to differential ICE style vehicle. If I want that I can save 40k and step back just fine ... maybe buy a cheap tesla model 3 for kick around town car.

People driving a r1t as a commute var are nuts. Way too much car to just drive up and down the highway. Figure those type of people are the California posers who like to show off their money. I'm in this for the performance of and adventure vehicle... not to pose with a truck in downtown LA. LOL

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