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I think the prices are going to be in the app they are just saying to verify the price at the pump in case app and pump are out of sync on pricing.
But why? There should be no reason for this. Every PUC is required to give notice of price changes. Even if their pricing structure isn't automated (which would be stupid) they would have plenty of time to get the pricing adjusted manually. If the charger can display the correct price, the app should have access to the same info, no ????
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I would presume based on the vendor ... Electrify America, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc ...
Along those lines, somehow my electric utility company knows my ev charger usage st home though i did not apply for TOU or registered my Chargepoint with them. I assume somehow Chargepoint feeds the util co a signal of some sort that identifies the electricity usage.
 

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But why? There should be no reason for this. Every PUC is required to give notice of price changes. Even if their pricing structure isn't automated (which would be stupid) they would have plenty of time to get the pricing adjusted manually. If the charger can display the correct price, the app should have access to the same info, no ????
I must have missed something about the app not providing accurate pricing. It does say to reference the station for the most accurate pricing information, but in my mind, that's most likely because you could initiate a charging session after using the app to navigate there, and the pricing changed dynamically before you arrive due to whatever factors there are.
 

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IMHO, we need all and more networks… but tough to patronize one that isn’t reliable.

Whst is Tesla SC’s secret sauce that EA can’t do?!!!
Telsa wants to sell as many cars as they can build. EA doesn't have that incentive. In fact you could say that EA will only do what is required to keep their system running and nothing more. I would do the same. If I had a 5,000 vending machines scattered around, would it be efficient moneywise to have a three nines in reliability? No way.

The whole "let's do a court order to penalize and force VW to rollout a nationwide charging infrastructure" was a really bad attempt to begin with. Government incentives don't help either. If nothing was done there would have been a reasonable probability that GM and Ford would have rolled out their own networks by now.
 

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I must have missed something about the app not providing accurate pricing. It does say to reference the station for the most accurate pricing information, but in my mind, that's most likely because you could initiate a charging session after using the app to navigate there, and the pricing changed dynamically before you arrive due to whatever factors there are.
" The app is informative about pricing, but because prices may change over time, you should always check the price at the charger."

'Change over time' does not indicate dynamic changes to me, but what do I know :p
 

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I’ll admit that the SC seem more reliable but I don’t have first hand experience, second I haven’t really had extensive issues on EA with lots of experience so IMHO a lot of those concerns are over blown, in fact I think a lot of those concerns are what you mentioned above which is demand, that can’t be put on EA alone.

Regardless I hope those SC stay as reliable and foolproof after they no longer live in their closed tesla only eco system.
I had actually gone two years with no issues at EA stations. Then on my trip over the weekend I ran into a site in Cabazon CA, where all the EA stations were working but had throttled power. There were also two 50kw EVGO chargers right next to the 4 EA ones, and both were out of order. I charged at 35kw for just long enough to get me 40 miles down the road to Indio, where I knew the chargers were good, had used them on the way out.

When I got to Indio, I was 4th in line for the next charger, so had to wait. While I was charging 5 more EVs pulled up, two of them left, must have wanted to go somewhere else. That site has the newer power shared EA units (as did the Cabazon site), and my power was going up and down from 200kw to 40kw during the session. I left with 50%, and that got me to a RAN site in Quartzsite.
 

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IMHO, we need all and more networks… but tough to patronize one that isn’t reliable.

Whst is Tesla SC’s secret sauce that EA can’t do?!!!
I think part of Tesla Secret Sauce is they control the vehicles as well as the chargers and the software on both sides. Will be interesting to see if anything changes when other players start charging at Super Chargers. We already saw some issues on the handful of magic dock stations.
 

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But why? There should be no reason for this. Every PUC is required to give notice of price changes. Even if their pricing structure isn't automated (which would be stupid) they would have plenty of time to get the pricing adjusted manually. If the charger can display the correct price, the app should have access to the same info, no ????
I agree and assume they will be fairly accurate but with TOU pricing the price you see may be off.

Just my SWAG, time will tell once the changes are implemented and we have some actual charges to see how it behaves.
 

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I agree and assume they will be fairly accurate but with TOU pricing the price you see may be off.

Just my SWAG, time will tell once the changes are implemented and we have some actual charges to see how it behaves.
This is true. I think it might be a good idea for folks to post the rate in their Plugshare check-in's as well. Would be good to track the various locations pricing.
 

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Along those lines, somehow my electric utility company knows my ev charger usage st home though i did not apply for TOU or registered my Chargepoint with them. I assume somehow Chargepoint feeds the util co a signal of some sort that identifies the electricity usage.
Smart meter will recognize ev charging pattern. It is widely used now
 

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For the first time since i started using EA to charge my Tesla (over a year ago), I easily opted to charge using the Tesla SC. Even still on a $4/month EA subscription, either of the 2 tesla SCs I can use are cheaper than EA (I have access to 2 EA chargers near the 2 tesla SCs.). Since the EA app doesn’t always reflect the charger availability/status accurately, I hesitate to take the time to drive to the EA location.

How will charging cost become once EA increases subscription to $7 and make charging prices dynamic based on TOU, location, etc.

I can already imagine cancelling my EA+ subscription starting August.
 

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For the first time since i started using EA to charge my Tesla (over a year ago), I easily opted to charge using the Tesla SC. Even still on a $4/month EA subscription, either of the 2 tesla SCs I can use are cheaper than EA (I have access to 2 EA chargers near the 2 tesla SCs.). Since the EA app doesn’t always reflect the charger availability/status accurately, I hesitate to take the time to drive to the EA location.

How will charging cost become once EA increases subscription to $7 and make charging prices dynamic based on TOU, location, etc.

I can already imagine cancelling my EA+ subscription starting August.
I’ll probably keep it for a little while just to see how much I use it. The 25% discount means that one charge over $28 pays for the month. At the current $.48 rate in CA that means one 58 kW charge pays for the month.

So far in 6 months That $24 membership fee saved me $255.71. Even at $7 ($42 in 6 months) I would still be way ahead in the game.

Will be curious to see the new rates though and what hours they will have for TOU. I know with SCE in SoCal my TOU is 4pm to 9pm and rate go crazy high. If I need to charge during peak time even with Solar it is cheaper for me to go to a DCFC around the corner and let my solar feed the grid for the NEM credits.

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So far in 6 months That $24 membership fee saved me $255.71. Even at $7 ($42 in 6 months) I would still be way ahead in the game.

Will be curious to see the new rates though and what hours they will have for TOU. I know with SCE in SoCal my TOU is 4pm to 9pm and rate go crazy high. If I need to charge during peak time even with Solar it is cheaper for me to go to a DCFC around the corner and let my solar feed the grid for the NEM credits.

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Wow, SCE TOU overnight rates are still very high.

In SoOC, we have SDG&E and TOUEV rate is $0.11/kwh year around from midnight to 6AM and until 2pm on wknds.

We'll probably will get the EA Pass+ for the road trips but for the most part, we will charge at home. I just need to schedule the charging to start at midnight for Rivian, like I do for Tesla. We pick up our R1S tomorrow AM.

The plan is to charge Rivian on weekend overnights and Tesla during the week overnights. I don't really want to install two home chargers.
 

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Wow, SCE TOU overnight rates are still very high.

In SoOC, we have SDG&E and TOUEV rate is $0.11/kwh year around from midnight to 6AM and until 2pm on wknds.

We'll probably will get the EA Pass+ for the road trips but for the most part, we will charge at home. I just need to schedule the charging to start at midnight for Rivian, like I do for Tesla. We pick up our R1S tomorrow AM.

The plan is to charge Rivian on weekend overnights and Tesla during the week overnights. I don't really want to install two home chargers.
Yes SCE is crazy high but just means my solar pays for itself faster, I’ve calculated my ROI for solar and 1 Tesla Power-wall at 53 months, almost 2 years in and still tacking to that number.

We have a place out in the low desert with IID as the provider, there is no TOU there and residential rate is 11.69 cents a kW, hard to get an ROI for solar at with that rate.
 

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Well my party is over. Stopped at my go-to EA that I have used each way going to and from camp 1-3 times every month. The per minute billing used to end up coming out to anywhere between .10-.17 c/kWh depending on my SOC and how long I stayed. It's now kWh billing and the usual EA price in neighboring states - 0.36/kWh with the monthly pass.

My trip to camp is ~190 miles, so I can do it easily without stopping, but it has become a nice habit to stop and eat and get groceries at Walmart. I'm on the fence about keeping the monthly pass. Both of my longer annual trips have RANs open or imminently opening in perfect locations for those trips.
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