The NACS adapter to use the supercharger network is here

[HaveBlue]

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[HaveBlue]

It says a lot about what many surmised. It's a relatively simple pass through connector. It will work based on testing it at a supercharger and the fact that magic docks already function for CCS cars. It's just a matter of tesla flipping the switch to allow it at a v3+ station.

 

[azbill]

Not so useful with a 300A limit. I will wait for Tesla to design something better.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

300 amp is only 120 kw at 400v. Need at least a 500amp adapter.

I will only be using a Rivian official adapter. Too much at stake to take a risk on a 3rd party solution.

The domain was just registered in June of 2022. Something seems off to me... there is a thread over on the TMC forums. If they are working with the OEMs why are they on social media trying to promote the adapter?

 

[MaskedRacerX]

The big difference with a CCS adapter versus a magic dock stall, the former requires back end service integration between the manufacturer and Tesla.

The charging control (and billing) doesn’t occur through the Tesla app - it’s all through NACS auth/comm protocols - car to stall to back end where your vehicles native app integrates and produces a billing mechanism. You just drive up, plug in, done

Magic dock uses the Tesla app to setup billing, init the charging process (by selecting a stall, verifying location, etc.)

i.e., even with an adapter, you can’t just plug into non-magic dock stall without that integration being present / the business side of things being established.

 

[azbill]

The big difference with a CCS adapter versus a magic dock stall, the former requires back end service integration between the manufacturer and Tesla.

The charging control (and billing) doesn’t occur through the Tesla app - it’s all through NACS auth/comm protocols - car to stall to back end where your vehicles native app integrates and produces a billing mechanism. You just drive up, plug in, done

Magic dock uses the Tesla app to setup billing, init the charging process (by selecting a stall, verifying location, etc.)

i.e., even with an adapter, you can’t just plug into non-magic dock stall without that integration being present / the business side of things being established.

There is no technical reason that Tesla could not allow use of the app with adapters, instead of Magic Docks. Integration is only needed for plug and charge.

 

[HaveBlue]

I think the v3 SC stations support CCS plug and charge which is what allows CCS cars to work. CCS cars don't support the Tesla protocols.

 

[azbill]

I think the v3 SC stations support CCS plug and charge which is what allows CCS cars to work. CCS cars don't support the Tesla protocols.

No, to use Magic Docks the Tesla app and account is required. And you have to provide Tesla with a credit card in the Tesla account/app. That is just like using EA, EVGO, or any other charging network Without plug and charge.

My Mach E has plug and charge on EA, the billing is via Ford in that case. Ford pays EA, then I pay Ford.

FYI, plug and charge is a feature of CCS, but it is not the basic protocol.

 

[ohseedee]

This is about as close of a hint we’ve gotten on the max charge rate with an adapter. While he is just a 3rd party he did mention he was “working” with 4 OEMs, so I cant imagine he’d be building a 300 amp if they were thinking higher amps was an option. My assumption is 300 amps is the best we are ever going to get on our CCS cars at a Tesla SC. Better than nothing, but a little disappointing.

 

[emoore]

This is about as close of a hint we’ve gotten on the max charge rate with an adapter. While he is just a 3rd party he did mention he was “working” with 4 OEMs, so I cant imagine he’d be building a 300 amp if they were thinking higher amps was an option. My assumption is 300 amps is the best we are ever going to get on our CCS cars at a Tesla SC. Better than nothing, but a little disappointing.

Why only 300 amps? Magic docks are 150kw. I’d be willing to trust those vs some random dude on the internet.

 

[HaveBlue]

No, to use Magic Docks the Tesla app and account is required. And you have to provide Tesla with a credit card in the Tesla account/app. That is just like using EA, EVGO, or any other charging network Without plug and charge.

My Mach E has plug and charge on EA, the billing is via Ford in that case. Ford pays EA, then I pay Ford.

FYI, plug and charge is a feature of CCS, but it is not the basic protocol.

Yes but my point was more that ccs cars don't speak Tesla. All negotiations for id, voltage and current request happen over CCS protocols; not Tesla auth protocols. Tesla added this capability when they implemented ccs2 for the EU.

 

[HaveBlue]

Why only 300 amps? Magic docks are 500 amps. I’d be willing to trust those vs some random dude on the internet.

It's the prototype so hard to say where it will really land in production. Works pretty simply though.

 

[emoore]

It's the prototype so hard to say where it will really land in production. Works pretty simply though.

It’s what prototype? I doubt Rivian, Ford, GM are getting their adapters from him.

 

[HaveBlue]

It’s what prototype? I doubt Rivian, Ford, GM are getting their adapters from him.

Did you watch the video? He said he got feedback from oems on changes they wanted. Who knows...

 

[azbill]

Yes but my point was more that ccs cars don't speak Tesla. All negotiations for id, voltage and current request happen over CCS protocols; not Tesla auth protocols. Tesla added this capability when they implemented ccs2 for the EU.

Tesla changed to CCS in new cars and also in V3 chargers. This is why V1 and V2 chargers will not support Magic docks or adapters. Tesla cars in the US do charge on CCS chargers with passive adapters. Older Teslas had to get a hardware update, if they wanted to use CCS.

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