The NACS adapter to use the supercharger network is here

[azbill]

Ford already stated their adapters will be supplied by Tesla.

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[azbill]

Why only 300 amps? Magic docks are 150kw. I’d be willing to trust those vs some random dude on the internet.

Magic docks are limited to 350A, which is 150kw at 400V. FYI, the old V2 Superchargers were limited to 150kw and did not have cable cooling. V3 went to 250kw and added liquid cooling.

It is doubtful the 350A limit will go away.

 

[Scottm]

Tesla changed to CCS in new cars and also in V3 chargers. This is why V1 and V2 chargers will not support Magic docks or adapters. Tesla cars in the US do charge on CCS chargers with passive adapters. Older Teslas had to get a hardware update, if they wanted to use CCS.

“Older Teslas” like my 2021 model Y that doesn’t charge on CCS?

 

[HaveBlue]

Magic docks are limited to 350A, which is 150kw at 400V. FYI, the old V2 Superchargers were limited to 150kw and did not have cable cooling. V3 went to 250kw and added liquid cooling.

It is doubtful the 350A limit will go away.

Yea I forgot they had that limit. I guess just to many uncooled connections but just makes it to the federal nevi money grants for CCS at 150kw.

 

[lefkonj]

when Rivian releases an adapter I will quickly grab one, stick is in the frunk and forget about it until I have no choice but to use a Tesla charger.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

There is no technical reason that Tesla could not allow use of the app with adapters, instead of Magic Docks. Integration is only needed for plug and charge.

But that's the whole point of NACS, and having a "headless" stall. Tesla simply wants to be a proxy that gets a cut, not manage other fleets of vehicles. They also want to have a "gateway" (so to speak), not just an open system where anyone with an adapter can use it.

 

[ATL_R1S]

when Rivian releases an adapter I will quickly grab one, stick is in the frunk and forget about it until I have no choice but to use a Tesla charger.

I had to find this thread and quotes from Rivian on social media to remind myself of their promises to provide the NACS to CCS adapters to owners free of charge. https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...al-adapters-available-in-the-gear-shop.16270/

When watching the State of Charge videos about Ford's NACS adapter plan, specifically the recent interview with their head of public charging, he clarified that they would NOT be providing their customers with a free adapter, and their customers will have to purchase them from Ford's accessory website.

I'm glad Rivian is not making us pay for them.

 

[Throwdown]

I'm sure the ones rivian sends us will be from tesla, even if you had an adapter now it wouldn't work.

 

[azbill]

But that's the whole point of NACS, and having a "headless" stall. Tesla simply wants to be a proxy that gets a cut, not manage other fleets of vehicles. They also want to have a "gateway" (so to speak), not just an open system where anyone with an adapter can use it.

If they really want NEVI money, then they have to allow everyone with CCS to have access.

You continue to confuse P&C with using NACS. CCS already supports P&C, but not every automaker supports it, i.e. Rivian does not support P&C. You are suggesting that if someone owns an older EV that has no way of supporting P&C, that they should be banned from using Tesla chargers.

Tesla does not supports P&C for CCS networks, so should they be banned from using EA and EVGO?

Magic Dock is an open system that supports any CCS vehicle, it is a simple adapter.

 

[defcon888]

300 amp is only 120 kw at 400v. Need at least a 500amp adapter.

I will only be using a Rivian official adapter. Too much at stake to take a risk on a 3rd party solution.

The domain was just registered in June of 2022. Something seems off to me... there is a thread over on the TMC forums. If they are working with the OEMs why are they on social media trying to promote the adapter?

Exactly....if you get one of these and just happen to use it and it completly bricks your $100,000+ Rivian....the first question Rivian will ask is...."Did you use the official adapter?". When you say "No", they will respond "Sorry, can't help you".

IN their defense, they even want it to be safe and reliable, but it is pretty much useless at the moment since Tesla hasn't opened there network. I would think that before that happens, Rivian will be sending out adapters

I will wait until it is officially sent to me and Tesla opens them up.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Not sure what this A2Z company is all,about since they don’t say they are a Tesla licensee, meanwhile, giant manufacturer Volex says they are:

https://a2zevshop.com/en-us/products/nacs-ccs1

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-licenses-nacs-connector-volex/

 

[Lizardo]

300 amp is only 120 kw at 400v. Need at least a 500amp adapter.

I will only be using a Rivian official adapter. Too much at stake to take a risk on a 3rd party solution.

The domain was just registered in June of 2022. Something seems off to me... there is a thread over on the TMC forums. If they are working with the OEMs why are they on social media trying to promote the adapter?

Have their adapter for level 2 charging.

 

[Stack]

300 amp is only 120 kw at 400v. Need at least a 500amp adapter.

I will only be using a Rivian official adapter. Too much at stake to take a risk on a 3rd party solution.

The domain was just registered in June of 2022. Something seems off to me... there is a thread over on the TMC forums. If they are working with the OEMs why are they on social media trying to promote the adapter?

EXACTLY! My R1T got fried using a Lectron adapter on my Tesla wall charger. Luckily Rivian fixed it, but would again if I continued to use the adapter, so I had to buy another charger. 3rd party solutions are a bad idea unless it is approved by the manufacturer.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

If they really want NEVI money, then they have to allow everyone with CCS to have access.

You continue to confuse P&C with using NACS. CCS already supports P&C, but not every automaker supports it, i.e. Rivian does not support P&C. You are suggesting that if someone owns an older EV that has no way of supporting P&C, that they should be banned from using Tesla chargers.

Tesla does not supports P&C for CCS networks, so should they be banned from using EA and EVGO?

Magic Dock is an open system that supports any CCS vehicle, it is a simple adapter.

I'm not confused by any of this.

I'm telling you that the non-MD, Tesla NACS implementation requires the auth/comm protocol, and that if a vehicle doesn't support that (i.e., the internal firmware/OS), they won't be using non-MD Tesla chargers - they'll be relegated to using the Magic Dock chargers/process.

And yes, that means there's a large number of existing CCS vehicles, that unless the manufacturer can (or will) update the existing implementation - whether that's just an OS update/OTA and/or an actual update to the charging hardware, they won't be using the non-MD Tesla option.

I'm not suggesting any policy, I'm simply discussion the technical implementation (which BTW, is informed by some folks who have intimate understanding of the requirements).

 

[WSea]

when Rivian releases an adapter I will quickly grab one, stick is in the frunk and forget about it until I have no choice but to use a Tesla charger.

You won't have a choice to grab quickly unless there is a 3rd party one for sale. Rivian will most likely send the adapters out in batches similar to how we currently get OTA updates

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