Standard Dual Motor does not get new Gauge View

[MrMusAddict]

I may be misunderstanding what you wrote but all current R1Ts are the adventure package. Even the non-performance dual motors.

Whoops! Meant All Terrain package. Edited.

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[Dark-Fx]

I would disagree. You still have tow mode which is just as important to know if you’re doing something that is out of norm. I’m thinking mostly about motor/ battery temps towing up long grades or using regen going down grade. That’s why I was personally interested in it. I tow a boat on the regular with mine.

You can't push the battery or motors as hard in situations where airflow is low/limited.

 

[R.I.P.]

No soft-sand mode, no sport mode, probably not as important to have the temperature information on those vehicles. Though I'd still expect to get the compass, trip meter, etc.

Hum.

I bought an Enduro equipped machine after spending hundreds of hours behind the wheel of quads, and about a dozen hours behind the wheel of an Enduro, both on Toyo MTs. The Enduros are running circles around the quads in many off-road scenarios (most notably snow and ice). My dual motor "upgrade" from the quad is on a truck coming from Ill, but:

1. We have not seen any advantage with the performance dual off road
2. I do not want Rivian's underbody protection, we will use our own
3. We are using larger, Toyo MTs on the rigs so it is a waste to buy it with the Pirelli ATs
4. "Soft Sand" mode is just throttle/traction control mapping for the inexperienced, I would rather handle that myself.

So for us, our "serious off-road" package was the standard Enduro with our own wheels/tires and underbody protection.

Armed with the information on how some of us are using the vehicles, does this change your opinion that the upgraded instrumentation may not be as useful for us?

It is not as big a deal as some of us (including me) are making it, but it is enough of an irritant that I have notified my guide that if in fact they intend to cripple updates to the truck I just bought, they can keep it. I spend a lot of money on vehicles; mostly just to play with (this was to be my 2nd R1T). It is just a personal preference, but I prefer to spend that money on companies that treat me well.

I can be petty that way. We will see what the guide says...

 

[MColbert]

Hum.

I bought an Enduro equipped machine after spending hundreds of hours behind the wheel of quads, and about a dozen hours behind the wheel of an Enduro, both on Toyo MTs. The Enduros are running circles around the quads in many off-road scenarios (most notably snow and ice). My dual motor "upgrade" from the quad is on a truck coming from Ill, but:

1. We have not seen any advantage with the performance dual off road
2. I do not want Rivian's underbody protection, we will use our own
3. We are using larger, Toyo MTs on the rigs so it is a waste to buy it with the Pirelli ATs
4. "Soft Sand" mode is just throttle/traction control mapping for the inexperienced, I would rather handle that myself.

So for us, our "serious off-road" package was the standard Enduro with our own wheels/tires and underbody protection.

Armed with the information on how some of us are using the vehicles, does this change your opinion that the upgraded instrumentation may not be as useful for us?

It is not as big a deal as some of us (including me) are making it, but it is enough of an irritant that I have notified my guide that if in fact they intend to cripple updates to the truck I just bought, they can keep it. I spend a lot of money on vehicles; mostly just to play with (this was to be my 2nd R1T). It is just a personal preference, but I prefer to spend that money on companies that treat me well.

I can be petty that way. We will see what the guide says...

To me it’s not that the gauges are really that big of a deal, it’s honestly a nice to have but if I didn’t know about them I wouldn’t really care. It’s more about creating a false disparity when buying a vehicle that’s spec’s exactly the same outside of the motor preference. With the different motors the way it’s advertised is that you’re paying for more or less power, not a different customer experience. That’s my gripe.

 

[jjswan33]

Hum.

I bought an Enduro equipped machine after spending hundreds of hours behind the wheel of quads, and about a dozen hours behind the wheel of an Enduro, both on Toyo MTs. The Enduros are running circles around the quads in many off-road scenarios (most notably snow and ice). My dual motor "upgrade" from the quad is on a truck coming from Ill, but:

1. We have not seen any advantage with the performance dual off road
2. I do not want Rivian's underbody protection, we will use our own
3. We are using larger, Toyo MTs on the rigs so it is a waste to buy it with the Pirelli ATs
4. "Soft Sand" mode is just throttle/traction control mapping for the inexperienced, I would rather handle that myself.

So for us, our "serious off-road" package was the standard Enduro with our own wheels/tires and underbody protection.

Armed with the information on how some of us are using the vehicles, does this change your opinion that the upgraded instrumentation may not be as useful for us?

It is not as big a deal as some of us (including me) are making it, but it is enough of an irritant that I have notified my guide that if in fact they intend to cripple updates to the truck I just bought, they can keep it. I spend a lot of money on vehicles; mostly just to play with (this was to be my 2nd R1T). It is just a personal preference, but I prefer to spend that money on companies that treat me well.

I can be petty that way. We will see what the guide says...

I admire your conviction, I can be petty like that too the main reason to this day I will never buy a Ford, due to a silly service incident costing my like $400.

This personally wouldn't effect me if I went to the DM as I would get the AT upgrade for the RUS, the tires/rims would be take offs most likely.

Don't really agree with all your negatives on the QM and yes I have read your argument also not the place for that discussion anyway.

 

[R.I.P.]

To me it’s not that the gauges are really that big of a deal, it’s honestly a nice to have but if I didn’t know about them I wouldn’t really care. It’s more about creating a false disparity when buying a vehicle that’s spec’s exactly the same outside of the motor preference. With the different motors the way it’s advertised is that you’re paying for more or less power, not a different customer experience. That’s my gripe.

Agreed! Feels like I am being pushed to buy something I don't want to get something I would like out of pettiness, or being punished for not wanting their tires & wheels. I have ditched brands for less.

Again, before anybody get's their flaming panties in a wad, yeah, I am well aware that I am petty that way lol. Rivian _just_ got my business back with the Enduro and the hope that there will be a locker for it on the horizon.

 

[Hillbilly]

Hmm well I agree that is pretty bad. Not sure I would buy a DM now, no interest in paying for more HP on the performance. They act like paying $70k plus vehicle is so cheap that it shouldn't have premium features.

Not going to take out the pitch forks but really puts into question my future vehicle plans, after my QM R1T warrantees out.

$70k now is like $7k two years ago. But don't worry, in two years a new rivian will be $700k

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I appreciate that. I’m just trying to go against the justification that so many have used for why one truck should or should not get something as simple as some decently basic gauges.

I absolutely believe different software is justified based on which one you get. I'm still in disagreement with you there. In this instance however the press release doesn't differentiate in this instance.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

While everyone’s griping about software differentiation someone forgot to mention the inevitable.

We will all be differentiated over time with hardware/software refreshes. Don’t expect to get the latest software stack in a few years that the latest models are given. Hardware changes will necessitate that, marketers will demand it.

We should be. This is how all tech works. Eventually the manufacturer stops supporting it. We cannot compare it to traditional cars as they get no improvements.

In response to those saying future software features were not promised, I'd push back on that some by saying it is something they (Rivian) have been saying is an advantage...ability to add and improve things with software.

How quickly did we forget all of the interviews RJ and his staff did after last month's upgrade and one of their first talking points was (loosely summarized) "We will continue to add and improve via software."

Also, there is nothing that I am aware of (though I have the Quad and love the gauges) that the other powertrains would NOT get it. So, based on the press release and the expectation Rivian has set with us continuing to get software improvements and additions, we can be disappointed that other powertrains were left out.

If they provided a roadmap software improvements and additions that delineates between powertrain models BEFORE hand, then some of this ire could be mitigated.

Yeah the duals still got an update and its still an advantage for them. No where in that bolded sentence is there a promise of all trims getting the same treatment.

 

[djjr50]

We should be. This is how all tech works. Eventually the manufacturer stops supporting it. We cannot compare it to traditional cars as they get no improvements.




Yeah the duals still got an update and its still an advantage for them. No where in that bolded sentence is there a promise of all trims getting the same treatment.

On your first part, the Quad is the oldest and therefore somewhat renders this point less effective.

No where did they explicitly limit or guarantee all powertrains would get differentiating software, though it's clear that hardware should limit some features.

I think the issue is, depending on your worldview, is debatable to justify your feelings. HOWEVER, Rivian's poor communication has helped fuel those who feel left out.

Fun debate to have though!

 

[mtberman]

No one was promised these updates. None of these features were promised to anyone.

Wrong. These specific updates were promised to "everyone." That is the wording Rivian used and there were no conditions or disclaimers.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Wrong. These specific updates were promised to "everyone." That is the wording Rivian used and there were no conditions or disclaimers.

Read further. I've already conceded that point to the guy who posted the press release on here.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

On your first part, the Quad is the oldest and therefore somewhat renders this point less effective.

No where did they explicitly limit or guarantee all powertrains would get differentiating software, though it's clear that hardware should limit some features.

I think the issue is, depending on your worldview, is debatable to justify your feelings. HOWEVER, Rivian's poor communication has helped fuel those who feel left out.

Fun debate to have though!

Sure its the oldest, if you want to call it that, but its also without a doubt their Halo car. It is their top tier trim level and always was. They did explicitly limit software upon the dual release when they said it wouldn't get all the drive modes the quad did.

I do agree that Rivian could do a much better job of communication and the press release was abysmal. If they planned on not giving all features to everyone whoever wrote that press release should be fired. Tony isn't very good at his job if he truly is communication director. Maybe I should turn in a resume to RJ lol. I have some free time and I certainly wouldn't do worse.

 

[mtberman]

No soft-sand mode, no sport mode, probably not as important to have the temperature information on those vehicles.

It may not be important to you, but that's not applicable to all owners. We bought the same truck in the same trim package. I have owned 5 EVs and none gave less technical data about efficiency and the state of the battery than the Rivian. I was so excited to get the gauges.

Also, don't forget that the DM screen includes a tutorial on the gauges, and says to swipe for gauges. It just doesn't work.

Are you all saying this is how they intended to execute it? With features that are highlighted and disabled at the same time? They might as well just have it go to a 404 Not Found screen. Bring back the Fail Whale.

 

[MColbert]

It may not be important to you, but that's not applicable to all owners. We bought the same truck in the same trim package. I have owned 5 EVs and none gave less technical data about efficiency and the state of the battery than the Rivian. I was so excited to get the gauges.

Also, don't forget that the DM screen includes a tutorial on the gauges, and says to swipe for gauges. It just doesn't work.

Are you all saying this is how they intended to execute it? With features that are highlighted and disabled at the same time? They might as well just have it go to a 404 Not Found screen. Bring back the Fail Whale.

This all really seems like either a failure that they’re using the “not for the standard dual motor” as an excuse to cover or it was a last minute hold out because someone changed their mind on letting everybody have access.

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