Indications of an R1 refresh

[bdwalters]

That's why I think a lot of people will wait for native NACS.

I bet we will see this in the refresh.

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[bdwalters]

Me too. I have one R1S and a second pre-price-hike order pending. I am assuming there is no way they let us roll the pre-price-hike into the refresh, but if they do allow it I will buy a refreshed R1S.

I really feel with the refresh our pre-refresh R1xs will quickly become paperweights. The refresh must include updated CPUs/GPUs and other electronic enhancements. Also, given the architecture changes they are discussing (consolidating multiple boxes), those upgrades will probably not be backward compatible. That will probably mean our legacy R1xs will be orphaned regarding future software updates.

I would also bet the post-refresh R1S (if quad lives) will be no more 5 year warranty with the quad.

I also think there is a good chance that the old software stack won’t be updated much once they move to the new one.

 

[White Shadow]

I bet we will see this in the refresh.

Definitely. I hope they make the change ASAP because I really think a lot of people will wait for it before they purchase.

 

[White Shadow]

Adapters lock to vehicle, and cable locks to adapter. Has to do that for safety, but will also prevent what you are worried about. Will not be an issue.

How do you know that? The Ford guys who have already been charging at Tesla superchargers say just the opposite....zero locking ability. Just latches that can be disconnected at any time by anyone.

 

[Rividiculous]

I bet we will see this in the refresh.

That would be nice—but NACS is not the highest priority in my book given that I will probably charge at home 95% of the time. I’d rather have the heat pump or the new steering wheel or even just an R1S that weighs 100 lbs less.

I’m holding out for the refresh and hoping the overall changes are a net benefit but I am planning to then order unless they do something surprisingly bad.

 

[White Shadow]

... or even just an R1S that weighs 1,000 lbs less.

Fixed that for you

 

[Supratachophobia]

Another pre-price-hike (R1S) reservation holder here hanging on for more info. I see it as a gamble on potentially getting some improvements vs potentially suffering from cost-cutting measures.
I probably would have jumped earlier but for the Quad/Dual debate and the extra cost of the Max Pack. If I could have switched my Quad/Large for a Dual/Max at no extra cost (which seems fair to me) I would have done it but it comes out as a $6500 increase which sticks in my throat given it's likely a close to no-cost change for Rivian.
Having dithered to this point I think I'm now in for the longer haul of waiting to see what the R1S might become later this year.

Same. Exact. Feeling.

Take away 2 motors, some performance, and some warranty, but make us pay an extra $7k for what amounts to a pittance of kWh vs. what was originally promised? It just didn't/doesn't sit well with me. I would be keeping my big mouth shut if the battery was even half or 2/3's (23/30kwh) larger. But 11 for $7/10k?!?!?

So yeah, there's going to be some cost savings in the refresh shutdown. But the way I look at it, it can't be anything too extreme because large changes to body materials/parts/pieces/weight would require re-testing of both the crash tests and the EPA stuff I would imagine.

 

[camaroz1985]

How do you know that? The Ford guys who have already been charging at Tesla superchargers say just the opposite....zero locking ability. Just latches that can be disconnected at any time by anyone.

Do you have a link to that? If true, that would be extremely unsafe and would likely be immediately pulled from the market. The potential for an arc during a hot unmate would be very high, with substantial risks to both property and life.

 

[sphereobject]

Same. Exact. Feeling.

So yeah, there's going to be some cost savings in the refresh shutdown. But the way I look at it, it can't be anything too extreme because large changes to body materials/parts/pieces/weight would require re-testing of both the crash tests and the EPA stuff I would imagine.

I have always wondered what Tesla does about crash testing with all of the extremely different iterations of the cars it produces. The early Tesla M3s are contructed totally different than the later M3s. The MY with the structural battery pack is a completely different design than the non-structural pack MY. Is there is any regulatory crash testing done on the different iterations?

 

[Hayseed_MS]

I was a pre price hike R1S reservation holder and ended up taking delivery mid December and could not be happier!

At that time we had no info on the R2 so my only concern was regarding the continued availability of the Bosch quad motors as the service center had been hinting that those components might be shifting in a different direction.

While I’d be lying by saying I don’t have some envy of the possibility of a new and better camera system, faster computer, new steering wheel and actual working (for iPhone) wireless charging pad in a R1 refresh - that’s the deal with technology it’s constantly changing and evolving and with EV’s really being computers on wheels it’s something we should come to expect.

I do wonder, how much longer Rivian will honor pre price hikes? I would not be surprised if they told people who have not taken delivery yet that their pricing will either expire by a certain date if they don’t take delivery or is only valid on certain builds as the model offerings may change so much that they no longer resemble what the reservation was originally placed for.

Regardless of decision, for those of us who currently own we all have amazing vehicles and my hope is that by driving them around it continues to help build excitement and orders for the brand. I know that since the R2 announcement I have a lot of people wanting to get a closer look at my R1S as they are now considering the R2.

Good for you ?. There will always be a new and improved version of what you have - that is the nature of these products. Enjoy what you have now and be content.

FOMO is alive and well with some and they let it suck the life out of them.

 

[White Shadow]

Do you have a link to that? If true, that would be extremely unsafe and would likely be immediately pulled from the market. The potential for an arc during a hot unmate would be very high, with substantial risks to both property and life.

There's already tons of YouTube videos that explain it. Just look at any of the recent charging videos from The Mach-E VLOG on YouTube where Patrick and Liv charge their Mach-E at Tesla superchargers. They make it a point to explain that there's no locking the adapter to the cable or to the car.....just latches that be released by anyone at any time. This info was also shared by several other people with Fords that have the adapter already.

As for arcing, from what I understand, the contactors break immediately to avoid any such issues.

 

[metagamers]

Good for you ?. There will always be a new and improved version of what you have - that is the nature of these products. Enjoy what you have now and be content.

FOMO is alive and well with some and they let it suck the life out of them.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Everyone must make their own decision but regardless of when people take delivery they should know they have an awesome ride ?

I think the only thing I’m really curious about is seeing how Rivian handles pre price hikes. I don’t think they can keep it indefinitely- at some point I think they will say “it’s time”.

 

[camaroz1985]

There's already tons of YouTube videos that explain it. Just look at any of the recent charging videos from The Mach-E VLOG on YouTube where Patrick and Liv charge their Mach-E at Tesla superchargers. They make it a point to explain that there's no locking the adapter to the cable or to the car.....just latches that be released by anyone at any time. This info was also shared by several other people with Fords that have the adapter already.

As for arcing, from what I understand, the contactors break immediately to avoid any such issues.

It is locked while charging. The Ford vehicles just have a stop button on the outside. Then it is unlocked after stopping. Our trucks don't have that, and most likely Ford will address that with a software update, so that if the doors are locked the actuator that retains the cable won't release until the doors are unlocked, even if the stop button is pushed.

Theoretically you shouldn't be able to arc when unmating even when hot, but in reality that isn't the case. I have done it in lab environments, even on a level 2 charge. That is why I always stress to people to stop the charge first (even on level 2), count to 3 then unplug.

Anyway we are off topic, but the refresh will not have NACS, and for 99.9% of buyers you shouldn't delay your purchase until they do.

 

[White Shadow]

It is locked while charging. The Ford vehicles just have a stop button on the outside. Then it is unlocked after stopping. Our trucks don't have that, and most likely Ford will address that with a software update, so that if the doors are locked the actuator that retains the cable won't release until the doors are unlocked, even if the stop button is pushed.

Theoretically you shouldn't be able to arc when unmating even when hot, but in reality that isn't the case. I have done it in lab environments, even on a level 2 charge. That is why I always stress to people to stop the charge first (even on level 2), count to 3 then unplug.

Anyway we are off topic, but the refresh will not have NACS, and for 99.9% of buyers you shouldn't delay your purchase until they do.

I don't think that's correct. The latch is a simple pushbutton. There's nothing in it to stop the button from unlatching. Did you see the adapter? How would it lock?

And by the way, how do you know that the refresh won't have NACS? We don't even know for sure when the refresh will be here, so how can you be so sure NACS ports won't be there for the refresh? Or are you just speculating?

 

[KRG]

Am I the only one thinking people are expecting too much with this refresh? They just released the new battery packs for sale this week. One would assume if there was to be a thorough overhaul they would’ve just included those with that. There’s no way they’re switching to NACS this year. As a Tesla owner I don’t see the big deal anyway. I use an adapter now to charge at home bc it’s a ChargePoint unit. Mine locks to the car, not sure why any other adapter would not. I think they’ll update the camera system and simplify production much like Tesla has several times over the years, but Im not expecting any major restyling or NACS.

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