Gen 2 Dual Large vs. 2022 Quad Large

[Jlee_MN]

I reserved one of the last remaining 2022 demo vehicles. It’s a Quad Large with 21” wheels (if I had my choice I’d go with 20” or 22”). VIN number is 14XXX. Rivian confirmed today it has less than 100 miles on it and it’s located at the Normal factory. I haven’t made the deposit yet. They should have that ready for me to start the process tomorrow.

I’m having second thoughts. I know it’s a good deal, but on the other hand is it worth about $7k more to get a Gen 2 dual large?

I do mostly road driving and will be fairly frequently towing a 5,500 lb travel trailer (my justification for switching from Tesla). Would the quad’s extra power make it a more efficient tow vehicle? Are the upgrades in Gen 2 worth the trade off? Should I also be concerned about the residual value of a ‘22 model when they are branding the ‘25s as “Gen 2”?

Interested in everyone’s opinion on these options.

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[Davethadog]

All generations of these cars are going to be money losing ventures for you so don’t take that into account. They’re both going to pull that trailer fine. It’s aero that’s going to kill your efficiency, not the 300 fewer horses.

 

[Eric9610]

Just remember the QM large has a significantly longer warranty than any other Rivian produced or in production. I drove in my parents' R1S today on 22's in same suspension mode as my R1T and the ride is slightly worse but that a wheelbase issue that I don't think suspension can solve. I have seen talk the suspension is "changed" but no one has said what has changed... If it's software based, then it will come to Gen 1...

 

[sirna7]

It's hardware based. Kyle has a video where he interviews a Rivian employee who shows the hardware.

I agree with this 100%. The consensus among experts and testers is that the ride quality is the best upgrade of Gen 2.

Check out this video with some reliable sources. The relevant part starts around the 20-minute mark:

What 2 Rivian Owners Think Of New R1 Refresh! 2nd Generation EV Lineup Changes & Details.

It's Tom from State of Charge and Jose from RivianTrackr with Out of Spec.

 

[Riviot]

I know it’s a good deal, but on the other hand is it worth about $7k more to get a Gen 2 dual large?

I'm really curious how a 2022 has survived for this long with only 100 miles! That's wild. OTOH... 100 miles is the standard Rivian mileage report. Ask for pics or it didn't happen. $7k for a 2022 over the equivalent Gen2 2025 doesn't seem like a good enough savings... Better off getting Gen2 Dual Motor large.

Line by line response...

I do mostly road driving and will be fairly frequently towing a 5,500 lb travel trailer (my justification for switching from Tesla). Would the quad’s extra power make it a more efficient tow vehicle?
-No
Are the upgrades in Gen 2 worth the trade off?
-YMMV
Should I also be concerned about the residual value of a ‘22 model when they are branding the ‘25s as “Gen 2”?
-Yes

It's hardware based. Kyle has a video where he interviews a Rivian employee who shows the hardware.

Is the hardware interchangeable with the Gen1?

 

[bdwalters]

I'm really curious how a 2022 has survived for this long with only 100 miles! That's wild. OTOH... 100 miles is the standard Rivian mileage report. Ask for pics or it didn't happen. $7k for a 2022 over the equivalent Gen2 2025 doesn't seem like a good enough savings... Better off getting Gen2 Dual Motor large.

Line by line response...

I do mostly road driving and will be fairly frequently towing a 5,500 lb travel trailer (my justification for switching from Tesla). Would the quad’s extra power make it a more efficient tow vehicle?
-No
Are the upgrades in Gen 2 worth the trade off?
-YMMV
Should I also be concerned about the residual value of a ‘22 model when they are branding the ‘25s as “Gen 2”?
-Yes



Is the hardware interchangeable with the Gen1?

The suspension had some major hardware changes. I’m guessing that you won’t be able to back port them. If I were the engineering manager for that rework, I wouldn’t have added that extra constraint. If you could back port the changes, I would expect it to be expensive enough that you would probably just decide to trade it in and get a new one. The good news is that Gen 1 owners are about to get a bunch of nice software improvements. The Gen 1 cars are still getting better, just not as much better as the Gen 2 ones. Better is still awesome.

 

[mikehmb]

You’re talking the T, correct? Because the Ts were not plagued with the reported problems of the S, in terms of suspension.

While I’m sure the G1.2 T suspension will be an improvement over G1, I’m VERY happy with G1 suspension.

Towing - efficiency is efficiency. Yours will be decided by the aero of whatever you’re towing and how well you can keep the speeds down.

 

[Mathme]

For $7k difference, I'd go with the Gen 2 as it's three model years newer and there's more than that price in residual at this point. The 21" wheels in the G1 trucks are an odd-ball size and there's just not a lot of tire out there for replacements when that time comes. You'll also get the benefit of the newer hardware that will allow more updates moving forward.

I know in G1, there's a big difference in the ride quality from the T to the S. I find the ride quality in my T is fine...and through software updates, it's changed a few times as Rivian keeps tweaking it.

 

[Jlee_MN]

All generations of these cars are going to be money losing ventures for you so don’t take that into account.

I understand all vehicles lose value, but it's a matter of the rate of depreciation. Unless you are going to own it for 10+ years and run it into the ground, eventually it will need to be sold.

 

[Jlee_MN]

The 21" wheels in the G1 trucks are an odd-ball size and there's just not a lot of tire out there for replacements when that time comes.

A few new demo trucks were just listed this morning, so I'm tempted to switch to one of them solely for that reason. I go back and forth on the residual value issue, as since this is a quad and selling at $15-20k below MSRP, that should counteract the value loss due to model year.

 

[ksujeff99]

Don’t forget the yellow calipers on the quad. Those are worth at least $5k!

I have a 2022 quad R1T. I’m totally happy with it and its ride quality. One thing I’d worry about would be what the 2022 demo has been used for. Was it a showroom truck with thousands of butts in the seat? That alone would tempt me to move to the 2025.

 

[mikehmb]

I have a quad motor 12xxx VIN ‘22 and love it.

But a 3 (22 to 25) model year difference will have an enormous impact on resale, though.

The ‘25 will:
- not be any more efficient towing
- probably have fewer issues
- have a shorter warranty (not sure that really matters IMO)
- have better updates via software over time

My money, I’d go with the ‘25. Since I have a ‘22 now and am not planning to upgrade until a full refresh comes out.

 

[usulio]

I do mostly road driving and will be fairly frequently towing a 5,500 lb travel trailer (my justification for switching from Tesla). Would the quad’s extra power make it a more efficient tow vehicle? Are the upgrades in Gen 2 worth the trade off? Should I also be concerned about the residual value of a ‘22 model when they are branding the ‘25s as “Gen 2”?

Interested in everyone’s opinion on these options.

If I were you I'd wait to hear about Gen 2's range when towing. The "Large" pack is much smaller in Gen 2. Supposedly the vehicle is much more efficient so that range is the same. But that won't help much when you're towing. You might want the extra 22 kWh.

 

[R1Tom]

From my standpoint....someone is going to have to pry my G1 QM R1T from my hands....ride quality is exceptional with exception being impact harshness. Sounds like they softened bushings so that likely will improve that impact harshness but not enough for me to give up my QM.

 

[Davethadog]

I understand all vehicles lose value, but it's a matter of the rate of depreciation. Unless you are going to own it for 10+ years and run it into the ground, eventually it will need to be sold.

At which point the price you paid is almost irrelevant relative to how little it’s worth.

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