Blog Post: How Tesla Will Fix Public Charging

[Electrified Outdoors]

Thanks for the interesting and informative write-up. I agree with much of what you suggest, but I am not optimistic that many, perhaps any, of them will be implemented.

There is little doubt that the Tesla SC network is superior. In the normal course of economics, that would drive inferior charging networks to improve their offerings, either by enhancing their product or at least its presentation, or on price. As far as I can determine, there is scant evidence that any of the charging networks feel pressure from Tesla however.

Thanks. It will take time. Right now on Ford and Rivian are getting adapters. Once we get further along (maybe another year or two) more EV owners will have adapters or NACS ports on their EV and will avoid problematic charging networks

Then it will take time for them to realize they have a problem. One thing I found out from EA product guy is that they knew there were errors but they didn't know what was causing the errors which is one of the reasons they were onsite.

The other piece to this that I didn't mention is the government subsidy. Any government subsidy to charging operators should require a certain level of uptime. If the operator doesn't meet the uptime they should be either denied or subject to a claw back.

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[Greg Chick]

" Second, it will force the other charging operators to improve their offerings. "

Will it though? I am not so sure about that. What would be more likely to happen is they see that Tesla already has a foot in a particular market, so why bother going there. Let's go somewhere that there is little to no competition. While yes, this helps with filling in gaps, it won't do anything as far a competitive changes like pricing.

One thing that was apparent - as soon as there was talks about Tesla opening up, what came right after? The announcement from several manufacturers that they were going to shelve their plans to create their own networks. This was a huge step back in my opinion.

Monopoly, Musk, Money, greed, Power, everything except service and consumer interests. We as consumers are simply a source of money, ROI is on the table, not US. Pun intended.

 

[mkhuffman]

Monopoly, Musk, Money, greed, Power, everything except service and consumer interests. We as consumers are simply a source of money, ROI is on the table, not US. Pun intended.

If the customer interests are not satisfied, the customer goes elsewhere and the company refusing to provide good service goes out of business. ECON 101.

 

[emoore]

If the customer interests are not satisfied, the customer goes elsewhere and the company refusing to provide good service goes out of business. ECON 101.

Sure in an ideal world. Not one with monopolies.

 

[mkhuffman]

Sure in an ideal world. Not one with monopolies.

The only true monopoly is government, and businesses controlled by government (as in a fascist state). So what monopoly are we referring to here?

 

[emoore]

The only true monopoly is government, and businesses controlled by government (as in a fascist state). So what monopoly are we referring to here?

Let’s see. Cable companies, utilities, nearly phone and computer operating systems. The list goes on and on.

 

[mkhuffman]

Let’s see. Cable companies, utilities, nearly phone and computer operating systems. The list goes on and on.

Nope. None of your examples are monopolies.

I canceled our cable subscription because of the streaming alternatives. There is VoIP and cell and land lines. If you don't want MS, there are real viable alternatives including Apple, Linux and Android.

And none of your examples have anything to do with Rivian or a car forum. So what exactly is the point?

 

[emoore]

Nope. None of your examples are monopolies.

I canceled our cable subscription because of the streaming alternatives. There is VoIP and cell and land lines. If you don't want MS, there are real viable alternatives including Apple, Linux and Android.

And none of your examples have anything to do with Rivian or a car forum. So what exactly is the point?

If you say so. I can get one actual high speed internet at my house. Monopoly. I can chose between two phone types. Monopoly. Well I guess that’s a duopoly. Governments are suing companies all the time for monopolistic practices.

 

[Greg Chick]

Sure in an ideal world. Not one with monopolies.

You are so correct, if survival of the fittest or the best was really the reality, we as consumers would be fully served without grievance. Instead, we are all pissed and blaming each other or others and the corporations are making billions.

 

[Greg Chick]

If the customer interests are not satisfied, the customer goes elsewhere and the company refusing to provide good service goes out of business. ECON 101.

Only in an idealist Capitalist-denialist world. Reality is monopolies rage and congress is paid to allow it.

 

[mkhuffman]

If you say so. I can get one actual high speed internet at my house. Monopoly. I can chose between two phone types. Monopoly. Well I guess that’s a duopoly. Governments are suing companies all the time for monopolistic practices.

Hmm. One high speed internet. Do you think the government had anything to do with that? Like maybe they have restrictions regarding new digging and new lines from competitors? Do you think if all those limits imposed by government went away others would come along to offer you something better? And are you saying your local wireless carriers can't provide Internet to your house? Most can in most areas. Nope. That is not a monopoly.

You can't get a VoIP phone? And you have two mobile carriers to choose from? What about a land line from the legacy phone company? And a phone provided by your cable company? I am counting way more than two options.

No. You are wrong. The only monopoly is the government that makes competition with them illegal, and companies the government supports which makes it practically impossible for competition to emerge.

And this is not a car forum topic.

 

[emoore]

Hmm. One high speed internet. Do you think the government had anything to do with that? Like maybe they have restrictions regarding new digging and new lines from competitors? Do you think if all those limits imposed by government went away others would come along to offer you something better? And are you saying your local wireless carriers can't provide Internet to your house? Most can in most areas. Nope. That is not a monopoly.

You can't get a VoIP phone? And you have two mobile carriers to choose from? What about a land line from the legacy phone company? And a phone provided by your cable company? I am counting way more than two options.

No. You are wrong. The only monopoly is the government that makes competition with them illegal, and companies the government supports which makes it practically impossible for competition to emerge.

And this is not a car forum topic.

Ok. You can think there are no monopolies. Fine with me. I know better.

 

[mkhuffman]

Only in an idealist Capitalist-denialist world. Reality is monopolies rage and congress is paid to allow it.

They are raging so much they don't exist. Especially as it relates to the topic of this thread.

 

[mkhuffman]

Ok. You can think there are no monopolies. Fine with me. I know better.

You have yet to provide one. That is pretty telling.

How about you provide one that is relevant to this thread?

 

[emoore]

You have yet to provide one. That is pretty telling.

How about you provide one that is relevant to this thread?

Already did. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it not true.

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