RAN Charging Costs? Tesla Superchargers, What Teslas Pay vs. What Rivians Pay

[RRennie3]

Planning a long trip through WA and OR.
I have a Tesla Model Y Performance, which I actually have used on long trips the most.
Have a Tesla Model S Performance, and now my R1S beast.

There is a ton of Tesla Superchargers in the PNW and an okay number of RAN chargers as well.
Does anybody know where to look up what a specific RAN charger costs per kWh?
The Tesla app tells you how much each Tesla Supercharger costs per kWh. The Rivian app, apparently not.

Of course, I could take my Model S on my trip and call it a day because it will cost me nothing on electricity as it has free Tesla SC electricity for life.
But thinking of taking my R1S.

I ask how to find out the costs of RAN chargers because while it is great that the Tesla SC network is now open to Rivians, I started to notice what seems like a very hefty surcharge for Rivians using the Tesla SC network. Per kWh Rivian price is 30% higher on average!!

Take a look at the electricity cost I gathered for different Tesla SCs open to NACS in WA, OR, and MT. The surcharge that Rivians pay seems hefty compared to what Teslas pay.
To get a "lower price" presumably the same that Teslas pay, I would have to pay the monthly membership, but my use of fast chargers (not much) does not justifiy the monthly membership.

Let me know what you think. Thanks.

I just drove from California to upstate New York and back. The RAN chargers were either $.29/Kwh or $.39/KWh. I do not have the NACS converter so Tesla is not available to me but I think it would have been cheaper than some of the places I charged. I paid $.64/KWh at all the EA charges in Nevada I used but as soon as I got to Wyoming EA was $.44/KWh. Nebraska was the same. I paid in this range through much of the middle of the country. Once I got to Illinois and east it was in the high $.50s. I paid as much at $.79/KWh at flying J between Buffalo and Rochester run by EVgo. I had some other much cheaper charges by EVgo though.
Based on my experience your Tesla prices are reasonable.

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[bigsky]

Thank you very much.
Wow, $0.74! Energy equivalent with gas, that would be around $25 per gallon. Imagine what would happen if ICE drivers suddenly had to pay even 1//3 of that price for gas...
I did find the RAN charger prices using the Rivian navigation console. I will use RAN or Tesla as needed, but definitely not the others.

At any rate, I created this thread looking for information that in the end was in front of my eyes.
I am terribly sorry to have taken up your time asking for it. Thank you.

 

[CharonPDX]

Thanks for posting the table.

You’ve got 2 Teslas and an R1S. Thats a quarter million dollars of cars, one of which has free supercharger use for life. Paying an extra 20 cents per kWh if you take your R1S isn’t going to matter.

He might be like me - my Tesla with lifetime supercharging was bought used a few years ago for $20,000; and the R1S might be grandfathered-in pre-hike pricing.

Add a brand new base model Y Performance and you're at half your quarter million dollars.

Still a lot, but having two Teslas and a Rivian doesn't automatically mean "rich."

 

[beatle]

MPGe isn't really a good measure for comparing driving cost. This is because an ICE vehicle isn't nearly as efficient with its energy source as an EV. I'm not really sure why it even exists as a consumer metric. Instead, normalize on the cost per mile.

At $0.74/kwh, it's about $0.33 per mile to drive an R1T that gets 2.2mi/kwh.

At $3.44/gallon, you'd need to drive a vehicle that gets 10.4 mpg for the equivalent $0.33 cost per mile.

If gas was $25/gallon, you'd need to drive a vehicle that gets 75mpg for the same $0.33 per mile.

 

[bigsky]

I was not talking about MPG or MPGe. Sure, ICE cars are the epitome of machine inefficiency. What I am talking about is strictly the cost of energy. In that regard, the energy equivalent of 1 gallon of gas charged into an EV costs astronomically more than the same energy pumped into a vehicle as gasoline. It matters not what MPG or MPGE is, or is not.

It would cost around $56 to charge my MYP at $0.74/kWh. An ICE car with an average 27 MPG would spend around $41 on gas in my neck of the woods to travel the same distance.

Some make the valid argument that travelling in an EV may become or already is more expensive than driving an ICE car. Agreed. The fast-charging business in America is in my view state-sanctioned woeful gouging, robbery, a scam, you name it.
Charging at home, I could fully charge my MYP for less than $8.

 

[bigsky]

What it might mean for some is spending with surgical precision, living within one's means, all the cliches, and buying only what one can afford to buy paying cash always. And complaining about and trying to reduce the getting ripped off at DC fast chargers too, of course!

 

[Riviaenz]

In the Nav you can see the cost of Superchargers by selecting the ones you might consider going to. Tap on the icon for the Supercharger and then details. It’ll show you the rate.


I’ve found most of them quite disappointing… if they’re even compatible to begin with. The whole Supercharger hype has been nothing but. While it looks like there’s lots of Superchargers in an area, at least in ours. We received our Tesla adapter from Rivian and so I removed the “Hide Adapter Needed” setting only to see a few more. Turns out most are actually also “Incompatible”. Surprising as there are some new installations (in the last year) even that are considered incompatible. Without counting it seems most (at least more than half) are incompatible. Even one less than 2 miles from our home that went live in the last 9 months is incompatible. I thought it might be a helpful one for those occasions where we might need a jump to a higher SoC in a pinch.

Has anyone tried using an “Incompatible” Supercharger and had luck with it? I thought it was just v2 that were incompatible. I’d be surprised they are still deploying those old 150kW v2 units at this point. I thought all 250+ would be available. Just wondering if it’s more of a Tesla ploy to keep non-Tesla away from some high traffic areas. It’d be weird since they charge so much for high traffic areas and times. Seen some as high as $0.69/kWhr which is EVgo territory.

 

[CrazyOne]

What it might mean for some is spending with surgical precision, living within one's means, all the cliches, and buying only what one can afford to buy paying cash always. And complaining about and trying to reduce the getting ripped off at DC fast chargers too, of course!

I get it. With some of these prices, it's cheaper to take our CX-9 on some trips. It's more spacious of course and I don't have to think about charging. That's only on very long trips, which are extremely rare for me with young kids.

 

[Arange98]

Just drove from Seattle to Bend. Cost at RAN in Happy valley was 0.29 KW. Tesla in Bend was .59 KW! (First time using the adapter) could have charged more at the Madras RAN, but wanted to make sure I had enough battery to just stay in Sunriver for a few days.

Taking our first EV road trip to Bend and Sunriver this Sunday from Auburn, WA. Still a little anxious having never charged away from home (Delivery was June 30th). Expect to learn a lot on this trip.

 

[VSG]

Taking our first EV road trip to Bend and Sunriver this Sunday from Auburn, WA. Still a little anxious having never charged away from home (Delivery was June 30th). Expect to learn a lot on this trip.

Do yourself a favor and do some trial charges at a few brands of DCFC near you - there are EA, EVGo, and an open Tesla supercharger near you. EVCS could also be useful for your trip, but there's not one near you. This allows you to figure things out when you have some free time, rather than having to fumble around and waste time and potentially have to solve problems while on a trip.

The goals of these trial charges would be to:

1. Make sure your vehicle has no problems with its Level 3 charging hardware, before you need to rely on it. If it works then it will continue to work - the problem is it may have come from the factory non-working. Again, very rare, but you don't want to find this out on a trip.
2. Make sure you have the apps for the various charger networks set up and working.
3. Learn about the DCFC options in this part of the country so you will be more confident on your next trip.

I would also plan on stopping at a number of other branded chargers along the way, even if you don't need to charge, just to verify you're all set up for using those brands. That way you will be prepared for future needs.

Your trip will not be hard - just plan ahead for where you want to stop and charge and plan ahead for charging overnight at your destination.

 

[bigsky]

You'll beat me to Bend .
You should do just fine, especially with RAN chargers and Tesla chargers should you have the adapter. Tesla for one is second to none in reliability, you know it will be there and it will be working just fine when you get there.
I myself mapped out all the chargers I may use in WA and OR; all but two will be RAN charges (cheaper); the two Teslas, one is actually cheaper even with Rivian surcharge.
Do you have a Tesla-to-CSS adapter?
Mine (A2Z) should arrive before my departure.

Please do share how it goes. Safe travels.

 

[Arange98]

Do yourself a favor and do some trial charges at a few brands of DCFC near you - there are EA, EVGo, and an open Tesla supercharger near you. EVCS could also be useful for your trip, but there's not one near you. This allows you to figure things out when you have some free time, rather than having to fumble around and waste time and potentially have to solve problems while on a trip.

Thanks for that advice - I really appreciate it.

I plan to try out the Tesla SC this week. Before reading about it I bought a Lectron brand, so hope that won't be problematic.

Had not thought to try EA and EVGo because I am totally new to this... LOL

Your trip will not be hard - just plan ahead for where you want to stop and charge and plan ahead for charging overnight at your destination.

This is another area of concern, but we will have other family members joining us (with ICE vehicles) once we head down to Sunriver on Day 3 so I can always plug it in on the travel charger for those 9 days worst case.

 

[bigsky]

For the record:
Cost of charging a RIvian: overemphasizing to make a point.
1. RAN $
2. Tesla $$
3. EA, EVgo, and the like $$$$$$$$$$$
Plus no telling if chargers will be working when you get there.

Tesla and RAN chargers will be there, espcially Tesla chargers (have not used RAN much). Tesla chargers you know will be there working and when you need them, ultra reliable. All the others, flip a coin and make sure to have a charging plan B.

 

[Arange98]

You'll beat me to Bend .

We have 3 days in Bend and then 9 in Sunriver. It's an annual trip for the family.

Do you have a Tesla-to-CSS adapter?
Mine (A2Z) should arrive before my departure.

Please do share how it goes. Safe travels.

I have the Lectron, which I bought before researching and discovering the A2Z. Oh well...

I will provide an update after the trip!

Cheers

 

[bigsky]

There is no oh, well, I don't think.
I do own a Lectron Tesla-to-J172 (AC charging) that I use at home to charge my Rivian with my Tesla charger. As flawless as flawless can be.
The only negative thing I ever heard about and dissuaded me from buying a Lectron CSS adapter was comments made by some in that it was very difficult to remove it from the Tesla charger cable.
Let us know how it works for you.

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