Please stop asking for CarPlay - it’s terrible

[White Shadow]

That's quite a guarantee... backed by zero actual evidence Just because market research found 1 in 3 demand it does not mean if they offered it their sales would be higher. Not even sure why that needs to be explained.

How do you explain other manufacturers who do offer it also struggling with sales? Can you "guarantee" their sales are 1/3 higher than they would otherwise be if they didn't?

No, I can absolutely guarantee it. I myself have not yet purchased a Rivian. I almost did, but decided against it. I considered getting an aftermarket CP/AA screen as posted on this forum, but decided against it. I am still undecided, but as for now I have not made the purchase. I know others who have also not purchased STRICTLY for the lack of CP/AA. There's your evidence.

And the fact that you are somehow equating the 1/3 of buyers demand it with making 1/3 higher sales just proves to me that you don't understand this at all. Nobody is saying that sales will automatically be 1/3 higher by implementing CP/AA Or 1/3 lower by not implementing it. Nobody is even suggesting that. But will they be higher or lower? Absolutely. That should be common sense.

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[White Shadow]

Yes, I have done those things (like every person with a drivers license and a vehicle). And yes they are all distractions. I choose to not add another in the form of texting and calling. Thank you for supporting my point.

And I choose to be a responsible driver who knows when to and when not to shift my attention from 100% focused on driving. Thank you for supporting my point that you do that as well.

 

[TexasBob]

You've NEVER ever been forced to use that. Ever. You can say no.

Misinformation like this is why it's hard to take anyone seriously when they rail against a great feature which is optional.

I think it was obvious but in case it is not...

1. I was noting that in a RENTAL car one really has no option except to use it because you cannot practically set up an alternative.
2. In the vehicles that I have driven with CP/AA interface available, the following seems to be true (though I am happy to be corrected if you have other examples):
   1. The only way to get phone/contact integration through the vehicle is to use CP/AA
   2. The only way to get maps/vagigation is to use CP/AA
   3. The only way to access streaming services is through CP/AA
3. Also, it has been my experience that every time you plug in your phone, even if just to charge, the software tries to switch over to CP and if you ever allow it to be used once, it always automatically grabs the phone and switches over unless you go through an unpairing process.

 

[COdogman]

No, I can absolutely guarantee it. I myself have not yet purchased a Rivian. I almost did, but decided against it. I considered getting an aftermarket CP/AA screen as posted on this forum, but decided against it. I am still undecided, but as for now I have not made the purchase. I know others who have also not purchased STRICTLY for the lack of CP/AA. There's your evidence.

And the fact that you are somehow equating the 1/3 of buyers demand it with making 1/3 higher sales just proves to me that you don't understand this at all. Nobody is saying that sales will automatically be 1/3 higher by implementing CP/AA Or 1/3 lower by not implementing it. Nobody is even suggesting that. But will they be higher or lower? Absolutely. That should be common sense.

Your response actually proves you don't understand it all. You did suggest that very thing. How much higher would their sales be if they offered it then, since you are "guaranteeing" because you now say that's what has kept you from buying? ?

I'm almost positive you have also claimed that service is the reason you haven't purchased, but we can just forget that for now

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

The market has decided, Rivian doesn’t have car play … yet everyone here has flourished with out it.

CarPlay sucks, full stop. Rivian onboard ui > CarPlay. Done.

Everyone here is flourishing!

 

[COdogman]

And I choose to be a responsible driver who knows when to and when not to shift my attention from 100% focused on driving. Thank you for supporting my point that you do that as well.

I'm sure you are THE most responsible driver ever and can deal with all the selected distractions better than anyone in history. Add as many as possible.

 

[SwampNut]

I was noting that in a RENTAL car one really has no option except to use it because you cannot practically set up an alternative.

That's false. You can just not use CarPlay.

No, I can absolutely guarantee it. I myself have not yet purchased a Rivian. I almost did, but decided against it. I considered getting an aftermarket CP/AA screen as posted on this forum, but decided against it. I am still undecided, but as for now I have not made the purchase. I know others who have also not purchased STRICTLY for the lack of CP/AA. There's your evidence.

CP was a definite factor for us considering other vehicles. It's unfortunate that everything else about other brands was such garbage, but at least I knew I could add CP to the Rivian.

When I first saw that over 1/3 of drivers demand it, I thought, "Wow, that's a lot!" Funny that some would think it's not. Also note the word "demand" which means that even more people want it, but might not fully refuse to buy. Like me.

 

[White Shadow]

Your response actually proves you don't understand it all. You did suggest that very thing. How much higher would their sales be if they offered it then, since you are "guaranteeing" because you now say that's what has kept you from buying? ?

I'm almost positive you have also claimed that service is the reason you haven't purchased, but we can just forget that for now

Incorrect on both counts. Words matter, as does context. I never made any such claim HOW MUCH sales would be affected by having/not having CP/AA. Never once did I do that. What I said was that, according to your own numbers, 1/3 of car buyers DEMAND CP/AA. Isn't that what you said? So let's break that down....what does that mean exactly? To me, it means that they are not interested in purchasing a new vehicle that doesn't offer CP/AA. Now logic dictates that they are in fact eliminating that pool of buyers, doesn't it? There's simply no reasonable way to argue around this simple fact.

And as for me, no....I've never once made a single post about service being the reason I haven't purchased a Rivian. Not one.

 

[shap]

My R1T has been in the service center for two weeks now so I’ve had a Jeep Wagoneer for a rental and it comes with CarPlay. After finally getting to play with and learn CarPlay, I have to say that CarPlay is a huge NO for me. I significantly prefer the maps that Rivian provides and just use Waze on my phone. And Spotify is FAR superior on the Rivian’s system than through CarPlay. I cannot wait to get my R1T back (may even check with Enterprise to see if they have an R1S in stock that I can get). So please, stop requesting that Rivian use or implement CarPlay.

I have no idea how you got to this conclusion - CarPlay (in my case Android Auto in my X5) is way better than what Rivian provides now, including, but not limited to:

1. Waze / Google Maps with live traffic and satellite if needed
2. ABRP
3. Text Messaging Support
4. Ability to run 2 applications at the same time and divide the screen into two
5. Music streaming quality for all applications (over WifI instead of BT)
6. Ability to voice command almost anything you want
7. Ability to use voice to text for any input field (navigation, song search, etc)

You just have no idea what you are talking about - but I assume it is a personal preference for you..

 

[jdkent]

Sorry but major disagree here. Carplay works better for music, navigation, messaging, and phone calls. Rivian would be fine except for Apple Music glitching constantly. To be fair these are software issues and can be fixed but after selling my Rivian and going Carplay full time I never have to worry about it because Apple actually keeps up with there updates!

Messaging? You are getting messaging through the Rivian software?

 

[shap]

Incorrect on both counts. Words matter, as does context. I never made any such claim HOW MUCH sales would be affected by having/not having CP/AA. Never once did I do that. What I said was that, according to your own numbers, 1/3 of car buyers DEMAND CP/AA. Isn't that what you said? So let's break that down....what does that mean exactly? To me, it means that they are not interested in purchasing a new vehicle that doesn't offer CP/AA. Now logic dictates that they are in fact eliminating that pool of buyers, doesn't it? There's simply no reasonable way to argue around this simple fact.

And as for me, no....I've never once made a single post about service being the reason I haven't purchased a Rivian. Not one.

By the way, as for service, this is the reason I will probably sell my R1T and move to something else. 3-4 months now to wait in Austin, TX. UNACCEPTABLE

 

[White Shadow]

I'm sure you are THE most responsible driver ever and can deal with all the selected distractions better than anyone in history. Add as many as possible.

Like I said, distractions are everywhere. Knowing how to deal with them is key. When driving situations DEMAND 100% of my focus, then that's what I'll do. I do have a stellar driving record and only one accident in my life, which happened to be getting rear ended while stopped at a traffic light. I think the driver of the other vehicle must have been distracted by his Car Play. LOL

 

[azbill]

In the vehicles that I have driven with CP/AA interface available, the following seems to be true (though I am happy to be corrected if you have other examples):

1. The only way to get phone/contact integration through the vehicle is to use CP/AA
2. The only way to get maps/vagigation is to use CP/AA
3. The only way to access streaming services is through CP/AA

Not true, I own a Ford and a GM that have these features plus CP. In fact, except for Apple Music, the GM Android Automotive system has way more streaming music services available than Rivian. It also has built in capability to download Waze, ABRP, weather radar and many other useful apps.

 

[TexasBob]

Not true, I own a Ford and a GM that have these features plus CP. In fact, except for Apple Music, the GM Android Automotive system has way more streaming music services available than Rivian. It also has built in capability to download Waze, ABRP, weather radar and many other useful apps.

Good to know. I was aware that GM - like Rivian - is using the Android Automotive operating system (not the same as Android Auto) and that they have jettisoned CP/AA in their new models.

 

[COdogman]

Incorrect on both counts. Words matter, as does context. I never made any such claim HOW MUCH sales would be affected by having/not having CP/AA. Never once did I do that. What I said was that, according to your own numbers, 1/3 of car buyers DEMAND CP/AA. Isn't that what you said? So let's break that down....what does that mean exactly? To me, it means that they are not interested in purchasing a new vehicle that doesn't offer CP/AA. Now logic dictates that they are in fact eliminating that pool of buyers, doesn't it? There's simply no reasonable way to argue around this simple fact.

And as for me, no....I've never once made a single post about service being the reason I haven't purchased a Rivian. Not one.

That does not mean that. All it means is that in one market research survey 1/3 people SAID that. It doesn't actually say if they would buy or not buy a vehicle for that reason, which is the point I've been making all along. When asked about CarPlay people say they want it but far less of them actually take it that seriously (except for you). I responded to your "guarantee" by saying they should not base their business decisions on the opinions of those people.

Still waiting for you to put a number on how much their sales would improve if they added it. And an explanation for why it isn't saving the other manufacturers who do offer it.

I guess if you say that is the only reason you aren't buying, Rivian should add it and you'll purchase immediately... I'm sure there won't be any other complaints at that point and I will give you a high five for improving their sales and say I was SO wrong about Carplay preventing their success.

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