Why Gen1 doesn't show vehicles behind you

[kozak79]

Gen1 has the cameras, but only Gen2 vehicles now show vehicles behind you. All Gen1 gets is a yellow radar warning.

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[shamoo]

I think the simple answer is "because it is a Gen2" and that is where Rivian decided to place their focus for this particular feature.

 

[kozak79]

I think the simple answer is "because it is a Gen2" and that is where Rivian decided to place their focus for this particular feature.

It seems the hardware is there on Gen1 vehicles...

 

[portdirect]

It seems the hardware is there on Gen1 vehicles...

It was never turned on - they could not make it work - only the mobileye is used in the gen1. Good background here: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ous-driving-history-present-and-future.29179/

 

[kozak79]

It was never turned on - they could not make it work - only the mobileye is used in the gen1. Good background here: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ous-driving-history-present-and-future.29179/

I wonder how much they could have lowered Gen1 prices if they didn't include all of the sensors and wiring that will never be activated.

 

[SANZC02]

I wonder how much they could have lowered Gen1 prices if they didn't include all of the sensors and wiring that will never be activated.

Most of what is there is activated just not in driver+. The cameras are used for gear guard, incidents, and now the turn signals. Other sensors are used for parameter awareness and provide things like cross traffic warnings while in reverse.

 

[godfodder0901]

Most of what is there is activated just not in driver+. The cameras are used for gear guard, incidents, and now the turn signals. Other sensors are used for parameter awareness and provide things like cross traffic warnings while in reverse.

Of the 10 (Gen 1 R1S) or 11 (Gen 1 R1T) cameras installed:
- Driver+ uses one. (center, top of the windshield)
- One was de-activated/removed. (interior camera)
- Motion/Gear/Incident/Birds-eye uses four (center bumper, rear bumper, one of the two in each of the mirrors)
- Blind spot camera uses the same mirror cameras as above.
- Bed cam in R1T uses one. (in the rear spoiler)

That accounts for 7 of the 10/11 installed. The other four cameras have never been used in any user-facing manner (including for Driver+). Two of the cameras in the mirror housing, and the two in the fender trims.

 

[KBabione]

Come on...We know the real reason with these rocket ships - It's the first rule of Italian driving..."What's behind me is not important."

 

[RWerksman]

It's also worth nothing that later Gen 1 vehicles don't have an interior camera.

 

[mpshizzle]

Read the link above for more detail

But gen 1 uses mobile eye for all autonomy. It provides the data used to drive the visuals on screen. Rivian was hoping to add functionality to the mobile eye unit, adding 360 visibility and awareness.

But mobile eye's system is extremely locked down and ultimately they were not able to fulfill on that

The reason gen 2 is able to show more is because it has hardware that Rivian developed and has control over (the autonomy computer with the nvidia chips).

The lack of this function on gen 1 isn't because "Rivian didn't feel like it". It's because it was literally not possible with the hardware on board

 

[meshugy]

I wonder how much they could have lowered Gen1 prices if they didn't include all of the sensors and wiring that will never be activated.

Considering Rivian was losing $40K per vehicle on Gen 1s, I don’t think they could have lowered the price one bit.

https://www.moomoo.com/news/post/45...-40k-per?level=1&data_ticket=1738100455257477

 

[Riviot]

The lack of this function on gen 1 isn't because "Rivian didn't feel like it". It's because it was literally not possible with the hardware on board

The (unrelated) question is, when did they know the "promised" functions were not possible? Before or after promising them? Before or after testing them? Before or after continuing to install them on all Gen1 vehicles (save for the interior camera, which is easy to retrofit, Part# PT00509497-A is
$523.57 and incredibly easy to change)?

 

[strykerwsu]

Who cares it ain’t happening unless 3rd party comes up with a solution.

 

[Zoidz]

The (unrelated) question is, when did they know the "promised" functions were not possible? Before or after promising them? Before or after testing them? Before or after continuing to install them on all Gen1 vehicles (save for the interior camera, which is easy to retrofit, Part# PT00509497-A is
$523.57 and incredibly easy to change)?

The simplest answer is the most likely answer - I don't subscribe to the idea that Rivian conspired to bait and switch. I think they had all intentions of expecting that it would work, and as development continued, they ran into more and more problems, but still optimistically thinking "Dammit! We can do this!! We can make this work!!" well after the first R1T shipped.

 

[kozak79]

I can accept that we won’t get self driving like capabilities with gen1, at least they can render some cars in the blind spots with the existing cameras…

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