Scout Launch Delayed to 2028: Report [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[savethemanual]

Not sure why the EREV has to delay the EV. Easier to launch a single configuration.
Get some cash flow while the rest is worked out.

Because 85 percent of the reservations are for the EREV, sounds like they are pivoting to focus on that one.

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[DuoRivian]

Because 85 percent of the reservations are for the EREV, sounds like they are pivoting to focus on that one.

It could also sound like they are starting to reconsider this whole ill fated idea. Not sure VW in their drive for renewed profitability will spend billions over the next three years for a niche vehicle (North American market only). That factory could be used for much larger volume products within their portfolio.

 

[seanocono]

The EV model was cancelled. The EREV model went on as planned. EREV was once named the Ramcharger, it has since been changed to Ram 1500 REV. It will now get all the normal Ram trims, starting at $60k.

Someone on Reddit posted window sticker photos of the Ram REV from the Chicago Auto Show that had a listed MSRP of $112K for the Laramie trim (so not the top spec Tungsten). Obviously, don't believe everything you see on the internet, but if this price is accurate the RAM REV is toast.

And if the RAM REV fails, then does the success of the Ford Lighting EREV determine whether Scout ever brings their Harvester models to market?

 

[Great Gatsby]

I'm the only person who owns an EV in my family and my friend group, and as so, am the defacto guy for EV related questions. Almost everyone, whether they were interested in EVs or not, has sent me a video or clip about the Scout. Even those who have said "I would never get in EV" said that this could be the one to get them involved. With the harvester option, that is.

I think a lot of people like the idea. The concept. EV with no range anxiety. Best of all worlds. Almost made me put down a reservation. And honestly, bring on the EREV. This, not plug-in hybrids, should have been the middle ground to help people "transition" over or whatever. If we want to see wider adoption, this is the way to go.

Now, as most of us here know, it's not. When doing research on the EREV, you are getting a more complex vehicle that is slower and has a very stressed engine and small battery, which is horrible for both in terms of longevity. The advantage of just filling up with gas on road trips, towing or camping sounds great...but as many others have said, just get an ICE/diesel vehicle for the job.

Scout is selling a good idea. I hope they figure it out and succeed. I'd be interested in the BEV version - 800kw charging, 350 miles of range, NACS on back driver side, canopy roof, 0-60 3.5s and starting at $60k with a spare mount? Sign me up. Those are all great for us EV people. For the majority though, the EREV is the hook and hopefully they can get themselves to just order the BEV once they realize they are just paying for additional shit they will probably never need.

 

[Yossarian]

I mean it is a pickup truck. Most people don't have a need for it.

For those who do need one, at least half need it for pretty tough/rough things (towing, tossing heavy/bulky things in the bed, etc). Lots of things an R1T owner may hesitate doing, I know I wouldn't want a ton of rocks dumped into my bed by a front end loader.

You are surely correct that most folks don't have a need for a pick-up truck, but they are hugely popular nonetheless. It's pretty apparent that many and perhaps even most folks don't use their truck as, well, a truck. Even though the R1T is my first pick-up, I'm not guilty of that.

Small bed notwithstanding, the R1T makes runs for lumber, plywood and drywall a breeze. So much easier with a truck, and I can't believe I waited so long to get one. Though I have yet to fill the bed with something like a load of modified stone, we're planning to build a new house, so it's probably only a matter of time (and the right bed liner).

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Someone on Reddit posted window sticker photos of the Ram REV from the Chicago Auto Show that had a listed MSRP of $112K for the Laramie trim (so not the top spec Tungsten). Obviously, don't believe everything you see on the internet, but if this price is accurate the RAM REV is toast.

And if the RAM REV fails, then does the success of the Ford Lighting EREV determine whether Scout ever brings their Harvester models to market?

The comments section on that Reddit post are all you need to know about how the sales are going to be.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

You are surely correct that most folks don't have a need for a pick-up truck, but they are hugely popular nonetheless. It's pretty apparent that many and perhaps even most folks don't use their truck as, well, a truck. Even though the R1T is my first pick-up, I'm not guilty of that.

Small bed notwithstanding, the R1T makes runs for lumber, plywood and drywall a breeze. So much easier with a truck, and I can't believe I waited so long to get one. Though I have yet to fill the bed with something like a load of modified stone, we're planning to build a new house, so it's probably only a matter of time (and the right bed liner).

plywood on the bottom and sides, and you're golden. Similar situation for me, I always made due with an SUV for moving stuff etc. R1T was my first truck and we also got it at a time when we were starting more yard work etc, so definitely came in handy.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

There was another thread about this truck (and it does look great) discussing the 1.6L engine being used as a generator. Some said it wasn’t an issue. My view is simple: that 1.6L VW engine wasn’t designed for continuous generator duty, and burning through a 15‑gallon tank on long trips means stopping to fuel and charge. That defeats the purpose. I’m sure VW/Scout knows this, but real‑world testing will tell the story.

The BYD Shark uses a similar setup, though its petrol engine can also drive the front wheels at higher speeds. My son‑in‑law has one in Australia, and my other daughter’s BYD Atto 3 has 75,000 trouble‑free miles. BYD seems to have it sorted.

I’ve owned ten trucks. My old neighbor used to say, “Every man needs a truck.” It stuck, and I’ve used mine accordingly.

 

[savethemanual]

It could also sound like they are starting to reconsider this whole ill fated idea. Not sure VW in their drive for renewed profitability will spend billions over the next three years for a niche vehicle (North American market only). That factory could be used for much larger volume products within their portfolio.

Yeah, I 'm guessing VW is going to lose their ass on this vehicle. At least they will have a shiny new plant to make something else down the road.

 

[blipit]

Someone on Reddit posted window sticker photos of the Ram REV from the Chicago Auto Show that had a listed MSRP of $112K for the Laramie trim (so not the top spec Tungsten). Obviously, don't believe everything you see on the internet, but if this price is accurate the RAM REV is toast.

And if the RAM REV fails, then does the success of the Ford Lighting EREV determine whether Scout ever brings their Harvester models to market?

As some have pointed out, something definitely off.

The sticker says 2025 Ramcharger and the vin decodes for Diamond Black Crystal paint.

 

[AllInev]

Very good for Rivian. Maybe just the break they needed. Let’s see if they can capitalize.

I respectfully disagree. The folks cross shopping Rivian (mostly R1) vs Scout will be a small % of customers. Rivian will soon be a R2 dominated and focused company --that is, if things go according to plan.

Scout is a partner and dependent of Rivian technology. If Scout does well, Rivian does well.

If anything, this delay announcement is neutral to bad news for Rivian.

 

[mkhuffman]

The R1T is my first pickup truck also. I freaking love it and probably will always drive a pickup from now on. And if Rivian keeps making the T better, like more range and faster charging, I will keep getting one.

It's weird, though. I have started wearing white tank tops and throwing empty beer cans into the truck bed. Not sure why.

 

[Thedude]

It's weird, though. I have started wearing white tank tops and throwing empty beer cans into the truck bed. Not sure why.

That’s an easy explanation. You would never throw the full beers in the bed, you can’t drink them while you’re driving if they’re in the bed.

 

[TexasBob]

I respectfully disagree. The folks cross shopping Rivian (mostly R1) vs Scout will be a small % of customers. Rivian will soon be a R2 dominated and focused company --that is, if things go according to plan.

Scout is a partner and dependent of Rivian technology. If Scout does well, Rivian does well.

If anything, this delay announcement is neutral to bad news for Rivian.

I appreciate that some people believe these are different segments but I disagree.

• On pickup side, these are the two most comparable vehicles on the market with Scout slightly larger and targeting a lower price. But the T side of the business is not really important to Rivian so setting that aside...
• R2 and Traveler are very close when comparing the AWD Large pack with the Scout EV. Obviously Rivian has announced a shorter range, lower-cost trim that Scout has not announced, but I think the volume seller for Rivian is the R2 Large AWD (same for Tesla) and these are super close.

My main point for why Scout delay is good for Rivian is this: Rivian will start selling real R2s in December (prior to that are essentially ~10,000 outdated models with the old tech package, sorry). If Scout is hanging out there with a promise to deliver in 2027, a lot of people will be waiting to see what it is going to offer and at what price. It consumes mindshare and causes delays. Without that distraction, Rivian has one less competitor to deal with. But let's not kid ourselves, it is a crowded segment, especially at the top end trims. The IX3, EX60 Cross Country are a compelling option for the AWD Large. The EV5 is aiming right at the exact same market (though it may end up only in Canada and Europe). I am sure others I am forgetting about since I actually only care about the long range higher spec.

 

[mkhuffman]

I appreciate that some people believe these are different segments but I disagree.

• On pickup side, these are the two most comparable vehicles on the market with Scout slightly larger and targeting a lower price. But the T side of the business is not really important to Rivian so setting that aside...
• R2 and Traveler are very close when comparing the AWD Large pack with the Scout EV. Obviously Rivian has announced a shorter range, lower-cost trim that Scout has not announced, but I think the volume seller for Rivian is the R2 Large AWD (same for Tesla) and these are super close.

My main point for why Scout delay is good for Rivian is this: Rivian will start selling real R2s in December (prior to that are essentially ~10,000 outdated models with the old tech package, sorry). If Scout is hanging out there with a promise to deliver in 2027, a lot of people will be waiting to see what it is going to offer and at what price. It consumes mindshare and causes delays. Without that distraction, Rivian has one less competitor to deal with. But let's not kid ourselves, it is a crowded segment, especially at the top end trims. The IX3, EX60 Cross Country are a compelling option for the AWD Large. The EV5 is aiming right at the exact same market (though it may end up only in Canada and Europe). I am sure others I am forgetting about since I actually only care about the long range higher spec.

I think not putting a third row in the Traveler is a big mistake. Rivian wisely gave up on that idea.

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