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[TexasBob]

wouldnt get your hopes up.. to get to 350 miles range it would need to somehow pull off the efficiency of a Lucid Air GT while still being shaped like a brick.

… just toss in another 16-17 kWh. If 87 kWh can do 310, 102 can do 350. Max pack baby!

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[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

I think closer to 300, like 311-320, depending on wheel size and tires. I believe the $45K R2 will be under 300 miles of range (cited at 270 by MKBHD).

Where did he say that because in his R2 review 3 weeks ago at 3:53 he said "300 miles of range for all the specs" Which I would assume he means minimum of 300.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Where did he say that because in his R2 review 3 weeks ago at 3:53 he said "300 miles of range for all the specs" Which I would assume he means minimum of 300.

The 270 reference was a while back when MKBHD interviewed RJ after the R2 reveal. He asked RJ for confirmation that the $45K R2 had fewer than 300 miles and then threw 270 out there I presume based on Rivian’s R1 Standard model. Of course it is a structural battery pack now with new 4695 cells and that was 2 years ago, so things could have possibly changed.

in my opinion though, I don’t think Rivian will give the lowest trim model a comparable or higher range than the more expensive trims. If there are multiple battery sizes the smallest one is going in the $45K single-motor RWD R2 to keep costs down. However single-motor EVs can be more efficient, so who knows.

March 12th get here already!!!

 

[skyguyscott]

Sometimes, I must admit, reading threads like this one in this forum feels a bit like listening to sixth graders dreaming about future fame and fortune, or debating which superhero is stronger.

I read posts speculating (wishing) for longest range, highest horse power, fastest recharge times, quickest acceleration, coolest colors, and all for the lowest cost. OOOOOH, WOOOOW, YEAAAAH.

It certainly is curious from a psychological standpoint, why people engage in such speculation, and how they don't seem to even realize that all they are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment, but then, I have never bought a lottery ticket either.

Perhaps people pining for an affordable Rivian hope that if others agree with their hopes, that agreement somehow validates their longing? Is Rivian ownership now a religious cult?

I can not alter or change by my wishful thinking what the R2 will be, how much it will cost, when it will be available or how it will be received. All I know is that Rivian is planning to reveal more on March 12th. And I will wager that some will be happy, but most are likely going to be disappointed in some way or another.

If you seek some sort of nirvana from a vehicle, may I humbly suggest looking elsewhere, perhaps from a puppy, though that too will end in tears a decade or so hence, but it will be a deeper and more satisfying nirvana than Rivian can provide, and at far less cost.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Sometimes, I must admit, reading threads like this one in this forum feels a bit like listening to sixth graders dreaming about future fame and fortune, or debating which superhero is stronger.

I read posts speculating (wishing) for longest range, highest horse power, fastest recharge times, quickest acceleration, coolest colors, and all for the lowest cost. OOOOOH, WOOOOW, YEAAAAH.

It certainly is curious from a psychological standpoint, why people engage in such speculation, and how they don't seem to even realize that all they are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment, but then, I have never bought a lottery ticket either.

Perhaps people pining for an affordable Rivian hope that if others agree with their hopes, that agreement somehow validates their longing? Is Rivian ownership now a religious cult?

I can not alter or change by my wishful thinking what the R2 will be, how much it will cost, when it will be available or how it will be received. All I know is that Rivian is planning to reveal more on March 12th. And I will wager that some will be happy, but most are likely going to be disappointed in some way or another.

If you seek some sort of nirvana from a vehicle, may I humbly suggest looking elsewhere, perhaps from a puppy, though that too will end in tears a decade or so hence, but it will be a deeper and more satisfying nirvana than Rivian can provide, and at far less cost.

I bet YOU’RE fun at parties.

 

[RandomMcRandomFace]

Sometimes, I must admit, reading threads like this one in this forum feels a bit like listening to sixth graders dreaming about future fame and fortune, or debating which superhero is stronger.

I read posts speculating (wishing) for longest range, highest horse power, fastest recharge times, quickest acceleration, coolest colors, and all for the lowest cost. OOOOOH, WOOOOW, YEAAAAH.

It certainly is curious from a psychological standpoint, why people engage in such speculation, and how they don't seem to even realize that all they are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment, but then, I have never bought a lottery ticket either.

Perhaps people pining for an affordable Rivian hope that if others agree with their hopes, that agreement somehow validates their longing? Is Rivian ownership now a religious cult?

I can not alter or change by my wishful thinking what the R2 will be, how much it will cost, when it will be available or how it will be received. All I know is that Rivian is planning to reveal more on March 12th. And I will wager that some will be happy, but most are likely going to be disappointed in some way or another.

If you seek some sort of nirvana from a vehicle, may I humbly suggest looking elsewhere, perhaps from a puppy, though that too will end in tears a decade or so hence, but it will be a deeper and more satisfying nirvana than Rivian can provide, and at far less cost.

Tough night? It’s okay. It happens.

 

[gultin]

You’re probably right, but automakers do have the tendency to advertise the starting at price on their websites. It’s the ‘starting at’ and ‘up to (300+ miles)’ technique where they list the lowest price and the highest range, even though those two stats don’t correlate with each other.

The following is to be read in David Attenborough's voice:

Homosapiens in the profession of selling things have deployed this strategy to great effect since man evolved from ape eons ago. The reason they keep doing it is because it works. Apparently that part of the human brain hasn't yet evolved to overcome such subterfuge, despite having become advanced enough to write transformers and large language models.

 

[DuoRivian]

The 270 reference was a while back when MKBHD interviewed RJ after the R2 reveal. He asked RJ for confirmation that the $45K R2 had fewer than 300 miles and then threw 270 out there I presume based on Rivian’s R1 Standard model. Of course it is a structural battery pack now with new 4695 cells and that was 2 years ago, so things could have possibly changed.

in my opinion though, I don’t think Rivian will give the lowest trim model a comparable or higher range than the more expensive trims. If there are multiple battery sizes the smallest one is going in the $45K single-motor RWD R2 to keep costs down. However single-motor EVs can be more efficient, so who knows.

March 12th get here already!!!

Agree with you. Worth noting that Volvo in going from P6 to P10 for the EX60 adds 13kW battery capacity and a second motor with 130hp for around $3000. I would expect the base model R2 to be 270-280 and the larger battery to be around 320 (until tri motor which will drop that down but that will be mid to late 2027 I suspect).

 

[gultin]

Inflation alone makes $45000 in 2024 equate to $46,658 in 2026. It will probably be around $48,384 in 2027.

Just throwing that out there….

"Well inflation is when uh when the the price of things uhm is, is over is is, is too expensive because of of the uh federal government. Uh really squandering the tax dollars. So you have the green new scam, uh hundreds of billions of dollars spent there". - Lauren Boebert

 

[skyguyscott]

I bet YOU’RE fun at parties.

No, actually, I would be the least fun person at a party of sixth graders. Oh, I see, you want me to debase myself and prance around like some deranged moron for your entertainment. I don't think so. Homey don't play dat.

 

[derekmw]

They are going to reveal the price at $65k and all the reservation holders will complain causing Rivian to retroactively honor the $45k for the launch editions for those who placed orders within the same week of reveal….wait, that was so 2022…

 

[Great Gatsby]

Sometimes, I must admit, reading threads like this one in this forum feels a bit like listening to sixth graders dreaming about future fame and fortune, or debating which superhero is stronger.

I read posts speculating (wishing) for longest range, highest horse power, fastest recharge times, quickest acceleration, coolest colors, and all for the lowest cost. OOOOOH, WOOOOW, YEAAAAH.

It certainly is curious from a psychological standpoint, why people engage in such speculation, and how they don't seem to even realize that all they are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment, but then, I have never bought a lottery ticket either.

Perhaps people pining for an affordable Rivian hope that if others agree with their hopes, that agreement somehow validates their longing? Is Rivian ownership now a religious cult?

I can not alter or change by my wishful thinking what the R2 will be, how much it will cost, when it will be available or how it will be received. All I know is that Rivian is planning to reveal more on March 12th. And I will wager that some will be happy, but most are likely going to be disappointed in some way or another.

If you seek some sort of nirvana from a vehicle, may I humbly suggest looking elsewhere, perhaps from a puppy, though that too will end in tears a decade or so hence, but it will be a deeper and more satisfying nirvana than Rivian can provide, and at far less cost.

Dude, what? People speculating on a future vehicle that has them excited somehow equates to you thinking they are somehow being like middle schoolers? This is a Rivian forum, this is exactly where I'd expect speculation for the R2 to happen. If a car makes someone happy, who cares? Did you wonder off Facebook and on to this website? If you don't want to hear people talking about the R2, you can go literally anywhere else on the internet.

Better questions is, what are YOU doing here? To use your analogy, this is like an old dude showing up a sixth grader party and then complaining that they are children there. What is the point of this post?

 

[TomServo2112]

Sometimes, I must admit, reading threads like this one in this forum feels a bit like listening to sixth graders dreaming about future fame and fortune, or debating which superhero is stronger.

I read posts speculating (wishing) for longest range, highest horse power, fastest recharge times, quickest acceleration, coolest colors, and all for the lowest cost. OOOOOH, WOOOOW, YEAAAAH.

It certainly is curious from a psychological standpoint, why people engage in such speculation, and how they don't seem to even realize that all they are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment, but then, I have never bought a lottery ticket either.

Perhaps people pining for an affordable Rivian hope that if others agree with their hopes, that agreement somehow validates their longing? Is Rivian ownership now a religious cult?

I can not alter or change by my wishful thinking what the R2 will be, how much it will cost, when it will be available or how it will be received. All I know is that Rivian is planning to reveal more on March 12th. And I will wager that some will be happy, but most are likely going to be disappointed in some way or another.

If you seek some sort of nirvana from a vehicle, may I humbly suggest looking elsewhere, perhaps from a puppy, though that too will end in tears a decade or so hence, but it will be a deeper and more satisfying nirvana than Rivian can provide, and at far less cost.

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, motivates people to sit in judgment of others who aren't harming anyone else, and then publicly make sure those people know it. Explicitly insulting people who are just having fun passing the time by repeatedly calling them "sixth graders" is akin to the bookworm in said sixth grade class deciding that "having fun" is for losers. No one is insulting you, but you choose to do it on your own to others.

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, is the purpose of playing any video game. It's not real. Those points don't matter.

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, motivates people to watch games of sport. They're not playing it themselves. The colors on the uniforms have no real meaning. Useless.

We all end up in the ground, and no one is harming anyone else here. No one is making you read the thread or take the time to write long-winded holier-than-thou posts. From a psychological standpoint, it seems there could be a lot taken from someone who spends time reading and replying to what he dislikes instead of just doing what he likes instead.

 

[skyguyscott]

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, motivates people to sit in judgment of others who aren't harming anyone else, and then publicly make sure those people know it. Explicitly insulting people who are just having fun passing the time by repeatedly calling them "sixth graders" is akin to the bookworm in said sixth grade class deciding that "having fun" is for losers. No one is insulting you, but you choose to do it on your own to others.

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, is the purpose of playing any video game. It's not real. Those points don't matter.

I wonder what, from a psychological standpoint, motivates people to watch games of sport. They're not playing it themselves. The colors on the uniforms have no real meaning. Useless.

We all end up in the ground, and no one is harming anyone else here. No one is making you read the thread or take the time to write long-winded holier-than-thou posts. From a psychological standpoint, it seems there could be a lot taken from someone who spends time reading and replying to what he dislikes instead of just doing what he likes instead.

Thanks for your post, as I was unaware beforehand that my comments were taken as an insult. Rest assured, I was not trying to insult anyone. When I wrote that reading some of these posts reminds me of listening to sixth graders, I ment exactly that. If you've ever heard their debates, you know what I was referring to. And there is nothing wrong in being a sixth grader. They are really interesting people.

And I was genuinely curious about why anyone would argue back and forth about the range, battery size, features and prices of a vehicle whose specs will soon be made public regardless. I guess people just enjoy doing it for some reason. But what happens when you guess wrong?

It's the passion and gusto those engaged invest in the arguments I find so curious. But, as you pointed out with the sports analogy, I am also stumped with understanding the ego investment in sports teams, especially those owned by Billionaires who employ Millionaires.

I apologize to anyone who took offense, I should have made more clear that my intent was not to stifle discussion or insult anyone here. I should have just wrote, "Why are you arguing about something we have no control over, that has already been decided, and which will be revealed shortly? I hope you are not wishing for a vehicle to fill some emotional hole, but if so, try a puppy instead."

 

[derekmw]

I should have just wrote, "Why are you arguing about something we have no control over, that has already been decided, and which will be revealed shortly?

I find it funny too and this is not new right? Every recent anticipated car reveal has always had threads and threads of posts trying to predict what pricing and specs will be.

people get so invested in trying to predict what it will be when we just don’t know. But we WILL all know come Thursday. Haha, just be patient people…

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