Are you a Tesla owner getting the R2 as first Rivian? ⛔️ [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / NO ELON DISCUSSIONS] ⛔️

[derekmw]

I was solely Tesla owner from 2015 until 2022 when I got the first R1T's that came out, and now on my second R1T. We still have a Tesla (my wife's Model 3) and we're upgrading hers for the R2.

But I have no problem owning Tesla again in the future. I couldn't care less what a CEO of a company does regarding whether I purchase a product or not. Do any of us know what the CEO's of kitchenaid, dyson, samsung, etc are like? Yet most of us still buy those brands without looking into whether the CEO's are stand-up people or not.

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[r2fb]

Yes, hopefully it can come close to the software experience of the Model Y but with:

- Good ride and comfort
- Solid feeling body and doors
- Nice interior
- Tight turning circle
- At least some sort of highway lane keeping without an outrageously expensive subscription or outrageously expensive one time cost. My Tesla has Autopilot but newer ones do not, which is enough for me to cross out Tesla even without any other shortcomings.
- Actual working automatic wipers
- Proper blind spot indicators where they should be, on the mirrors.
- Proper rear traffic radar that's not way too late to act
- Parking sensors so I know exactly how much to pull forward
- No Elon (This is not a huge factor, I hate that guy but if Tesla shortcomings didn't annoy me, I'd have considered another, maybe they annoy me more than normal because of him, not sure)

The worst thing about it is glass roof with no sunshade like the Tesla. Wish that wasn't the case or at least give us an electrochromatic one.

 

[KRG]

I was solely Tesla owner from 2015 until 2022 when I got the first R1T's that came out, and now on my second R1T. We still have a Tesla (my wife's Model 3) and we're upgrading hers for the R2.

But I have no problem owning Tesla again in the future. I couldn't care less what a CEO of a company does regarding whether I purchase a product or not. Do any of us know what the CEO's of kitchenaid, dyson, samsung, etc are like? Yet most of us still buy those brands without looking into whether the CEO's are stand-up people or not.

Well, no, but Elon is far from your run of the mill ceo, and EVERYONE knows who he is. That’s sorta like saying I’ll keep voting for Donald Trump bc many other politicians are horrible also.

That said, I’ve had a Tesla in the past, and I’d consider another if they came out with something cool again. Not so sure they will though as they pivot to robotaxis.

 

[Luxus]

That said, I’ve had a Tesla in the past, and I’d consider another if they came out with something cool again. Not so sure they will though as they pivot to robotaxis.

Isn't their pivot to humanoid robots? Hard to keep track of Elon's many pronouncements.

 

[Engi_Nerd]

We've had six Teslas, with current M3P and MYLR. There are many minor irritations on these cars that Tesla could easily fix but has decided they don't want to. Worst door handles in the industry, horrible wipers, and a stock-focused form-over-function UI have been grating on every drive. Despite this, in every other area, they have whittled away huge swaths of operational friction, allowing you to get in and go with a seat belt click and a single press of "start FSD". Sorry but people who keep claiming "I'm good, I love driving" have no idea what they're talking about. I also love driving, enough to have eaten the depreciation on an Alfa, but FSD has made me accept that the vast majority of modern driving sucks, and automation is the single biggest enabler to making a large part of my day suck less. The 3/Y have also been ridiculously reliable, allowing you to really not have to think about service or maintenance either, which is another huge luxury.

So yeah, I reserved an R2, because it seems like Rivian is focused on emulating a lot of this experience, potentially with a vastly better UI, better styling, fewer stupid pain points, more cargo space, and less brand baggage. But they have a long way to go in terms of proving they can build a reliable electric appliance at scale and the fact that they chose to keep the terrible door handles to save development cost has definitely been strike 1 for me.

 

[hsctiger]

2014 Model S owner with a late R2 reservation here. The car has been amazing over 158k miles and it still looks great despite it serving as a dog car and a baseball gear car. I upgraded the computer, too, but no FSD on a car that old. The Richmond, VA Service Center is another matter though. Terrible. Beyond terrible. And I hope Rivian chooses to authorize third party mechanics to work on its cars/trucks so people don't wait 60 days for service.

WRT Elon, he's a flashpoint for some folks. In 2014, I encountered big pickup truck rednecks blocking the charging station in a visit to North Carolina. I had to ask them to move their trucks so I could charge and got called a bunch of names I won't repeat here. Then, last year someone vandalized my car in a parking lot. They wrenched my sideview mirror completely off. Whatever you think of Elon is irrelevant. People are acting based on their feelings and I really don't want to be part of that any more. My wife is especially upset about things like this and doesn't want that kind of attention. She's fed up that it'll take maybe up to another year before my reservation gets filled.

 

[narmstrong79]

I’ve had my Model S for 12 years and have really enjoyed the driving experience. I’ve placed an order for the R2, though I don’t expect to purchase it until 2027. I’d like to test drive it especially to evaluate its LiDAR-based autonomy. I’m hoping Rivian can refine its software to be as good as, or close to, Tesla’s.

Software wise, Infotainment and App , I would say Rivian is pretty close currently. And it's always getting better.

As far as LiDAR is concerned, I doubt you will be any real value in that for the first 3+ years. But since you buy cars and drive them for a long time, Waiting for Lidar is the right move, you likely be 2028, maybe 2029 to take delivery on that one. At that point your Model S is 15 and that's a good long ownership cycle.

 

[James Wong]

Nick, I agree with you on LiDAR. I’m skeptical that Rivian will be able to deliver true point-to-point autonomy by Q1 2027, which is when I’m planning to buy or lease. I’m a Tesla fan and recently test-drove the Model Y and Model 3 with point-to-point FSD and it was incredibly impressive, and I was honestly in awe. The software is currently on v14.3.1. That said, I do like that the R2 is expected to support V2H, which Tesla doesn’t offer unless I invest in a Powerwall. The R2 also impresses me with its interior layout and overall design.

 

[narmstrong79]

Nick, I agree with you on LiDAR. I’m skeptical that Rivian will be able to deliver true point-to-point autonomy by Q1 2027, which is when I’m planning to buy or lease. I’m a Tesla fan and recently test-drove the Model Y and Model 3 with point-to-point FSD and it was incredibly impressive, and I was honestly in awe. The software is currently on v14.3.1. That said, I do like that the R2 is expected to support V2H, which Tesla doesn’t offer unless I invest in a Powerwall. The R2 also impresses me with its interior layout and overall design.

Beside what Rivian (or tesla for that matter) can deliver for true L4 autonomy (eyes off), where at that point the car manufacturer needs to take liability, regulations will trail way behind development, getting this allowed in all states and all roads. Supervised FSD, or any ADAS where the car owners are responsible, LiDAR will perform better in some use cases but I think it'll be very little tangible benefit for a while.

 

[KRG]

Isn't their pivot to humanoid robots? Hard to keep track of Elon's many pronouncements.

True. Who knows, but making cool cars is clearly no longer their focus so I’ve lost interest.

I got a bottle of water from the Tesla robot at SXSW. Meh.

 

[rbdavis808]

I couldn't care less what a CEO of a company does regarding whether I purchase a product or not. Do any of us know what the CEO's of kitchenaid, dyson, samsung, etc are like? Yet most of us still buy those brands without looking into whether the CEO's are stand-up people or not.

Do I know what the CEO's of kitchenaid, dyson, samsung, etc are like? No, I do not. But if I did know that they were using the immense wealth derived from their company's products to vociferously promote repugnant beliefs and buy elections, and spending their vacation time firing government workers like air traffic controllers, safety inspectors, environmental monitors, etc., I wouldn't buy those CEOs' stuff either.

Oh, and now he's shutting down auto production lines to build an army of robots. What could go wrong?

 

[gecko10x]

True. Who knows, but making cool cars is clearly no longer their focus so I’ve lost interest.

Exactly. They want to make robots that you can sit in or something. Clearly not interested in being a car company anymore, let alone fixing the bugs that exist in the current vehicles.

And I'm tired of being coal rolled all the damn time. Do Rivian owners experience this??

 

[VandalSibs]

- At least some sort of highway lane keeping without an outrageously expensive subscription or outrageously expensive one time cost. My Tesla has Autopilot but newer ones do not, which is enough for me to cross out Tesla even without any other shortcomings.

In my Gen 1 R1T, the basic lane assist/adaptive cruise control is nice, and this is essentially the equivalent of what Tesla's "Autopilot" was. It is limited to major highways, but where I live there are enough crap drivers on city streets that any non-human control is not safe.

One thing that I like over it vs when I had my Teslas is that with the assists on, the Rivian automatically re-engages the lane centering, etc after I do a lane change (signaled, of course).

 

[r2fb]

I don't get the FSD love at all. I've tried it (v14.2) and while it's decently impressive, it's not as good as I am cutting through traffic and not giving way to every car or stop for every pedestrian on the sidewalk even though they're just waiting for a bus/shuttle and not going to cross the road.
The main friction of "not fun driving" is the time you're stuck in it and my driving minimizes that as much as possible. FSD is just too timid compared to me even in mad max mode to be useful and you still have to watch it so I don't realize any benefit from it. As long as you have to pay attention, steering and pedal inputs are not big additional burdens. For highway driving you're on there a lot longer and the attention you need pay is a lot less than city driving because there are fewer things to watch out for, so automating that is a big comfort multiplier. Automating city driving, not so much unless it's unsupervised.

 

[narmstrong79]

Do I know what the CEO's of kitchenaid, dyson, samsung, etc are like? No, I do not. But if I did know that they were using the immense wealth derived from their company's products to vociferously promote repugnant beliefs and buy elections, and spending their vacation time firing government workers like air traffic controllers, safety inspectors, environmental monitors, etc., I wouldn't buy those CEOs' stuff either.

Oh, and now he's shutting down auto production lines to build an army of robots. What could go wrong?

KitchenAid is owned by Whirlpool whose CEO was very vocal in the support of this administration, Not to the point of Zuck, and Musk, who use their social media platforms as social engineering but still supported. Dyson Corp donates to democratic candidates.

I can sperate the product from the person. I'll still Listen to Kanye or P. Diddy earlier music even though they are deplorable people. I buy things on Amazon knowing Bezos is a Bozo , I have a Meta account and Zuck is Cuck. There are many movies and entertainment that are Saudi funded. The Saudi's own like 150 million shares of rivian or something crazy like that, they own a large majority of Lucid also.

There is no way to live the life we want without people who are the worst of us, getting richer off us.

Drive what you like, If you like tesla but hate Elon buy a used one and not sign up for services or use the charging network. I have never liked the look if a tesla and they are too common on the road, they are just boring now.

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