Cancelling my Pre-order, thoughts inside from test drive

[AshishNJ]

What kinda new cars don’t offer CarPlay and why??? So many new electrics out there have it , why not R2. I am going to let go of my reservation and wait what else is out there…

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[Zoidz]

Lately, this one. Google Maps has me get off the highway to just get back on. Google Maps is not the king of navigation that it used to be. Apple Maps does some janky stuff so I'd say they are about on par now, mostly to Google Maps drop in qualify more than Apple Maps improving.

I've had waze do this multiple times.

 

[freshpow]

What kinda new cars don’t offer CarPlay and why??? So many new electrics out there have it , why not R2. I am going to let go of my reservation and wait what else is out there…

It's tough livin with a Rivian. I travel a lot for work and can't even begin to describe the sheer joy that overtakes my soul when I plop my ass down in my Mazda CX-60 or similar rental for the week and boot up Carplay. Pure nirvana.

Said no one, ever, save for a few online trolls.

 

[Mos Eisley]

Clearly you want to buy Apple Car play that has a vehicle to go with it.

Side note: In what Universe is Apple Maps better than Google Maps? None.

Off topic but actually - I do think it's now better, at least if you are in the apple-sphere.

Up until recently I was commuting about 150 miles a day and Apple maps was infallible when it came to rerouting due to traffic alerts, accidents etc. It's reroutes always worked and it's estimated arrival time was always accurate to within a minute or better. Given it's integration with my calendar, mail, Siri and other apps. It worked brilliantly. And without the stink of Google all over it.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Off topic but actually - I do think it's now better, at least if you are in the apple-sphere.

Up until recently I was commuting about 150 miles a day and Apple maps was infallible when it came to rerouting due to traffic alerts, accidents etc. It's reroutes always worked and it's estimated arrival time was always accurate to within a minute or better. Given it's integration with my calendar, mail, Siri and other apps. It worked brilliantly. And without the stink of Google all over it.

Isn’t it amazing how Google went from “that cool company” to “ewwww”?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Also, look at Model Y options. For every trim, the larger wheel gives less range. Premium AWD gives 303 miles for 20" and 327 for 19". Regular AWD: 18" gives 294 and 19" gives 283.

Smaller wheels are lighter and have less rotational inertia. This means more range.

More false equivalences and resulting false conclusions. All that anecdotal evidence shows is that Tesla’s choices in the larger sizes are not optimized for range.

A larger wheel isn’t necessarily heavier. Nor a smaller wheel necessarily lighter. It all depends on each wheel’s design and manufacturing. Look hard enough on any wheel site and you find examples of 20” wheels that weigh as much as larger ones.

With both generations of R1 range is optimal for the larger wheel sizes, while the smallest wheels (20”) with their accompanying tires are less and least efficient.

R2 Premium, 20” vs 21”, each shod with same outer diameter Pirelli Scorpion MS: same exact 330 mi range.

 

[zefram47]

I took a test drive in a Model Y for the first time yesterday, and it ticks enough of the boxes from above that I'm going to be mostly satisfied with it. I just wish it had a better tow rating.

Guess CarPlay and UI gloss wasn't a dealbreaker after all.

 

[Zoidz]

R2 is a unibody

Yes, I have been aware of that for months. EV trucks/SUVs and newer ICE trucks have evolved and blurred beyond the classic "if it has a frame, it's a truck. If it's unibody, it's not a truck."

Rivian R1 has been described as a unibody and frame because it's not a traditional frame. Traditional trucks have ladder rung cross members, and bushings between the body and frame but R1 does not. The battery assembly and unibody replace the cross members and it is all bolted with no bushings.

The CyberTruck has no frame rails and automotive experts have said that the gigcasting is essentially a unibody. It's a truck.
GM says that the Silverado EV is neither frame or unibody - it's ultibody.
The Ford Maverick is clearly a truck - but it has a unibody.

Trucks are more defined these days by features such as ground clearance, front and rear takeoff angles, towing capacity, payload capacity, wheel size, suspension travel and other off road features, etc.

WIth those considerations, the R2 is a truck, compared to the Tesla Y.

 

[Horsey]

Guess CarPlay and UI gloss wasn't a dealbreaker after all.

But it was. I bought a ScreenMate and I plan to install it day 1

 

[Thebandit]

More false equivalences and resulting false conclusions. All that anecdotal evidence shows is that Tesla’s choices in the larger sizes are not optimized for range.

A larger wheel isn’t necessarily heavier. Nor a smaller wheel necessarily lighter. It all depends on each wheel’s design and manufacturing. Look hard enough on any wheel site and you find examples of 20” wheels that weigh as much as larger ones.

With both generations of R1 range is optimal for the larger wheel sizes, while the smallest wheels (20”) with their accompanying tires are less and least efficient.

R2 Premium, 20” vs 21”, each shod with same outer diameter Pirelli Scorpion MS: same exact 330 mi range.

A larger wheel isn't necessarily heavier?

Find one, then. Show me a wheel+tire combo where the one with the larger wheel is lighter.

 

[SDH]

Doesn’t come with a flame thrower so I’m out ….

 

[rfkxyz]

Doesn’t come with a flame thrower so I’m out ….

That’s what Reddit is for.

 

[r2fb]

Full self drive is not adaptive cruise control and lane keep. It will literally drive you everywhere and its un-freaking believable. Its so far ahead of everything else on the market, anyone that wants autonomy now has no other options. I can understand people buying a Tesla for the autonomy. Rivian is just not credible right now in this. Don't buy a Rivian hoping for Autonomy as we don't know how they will fare in this. Tesla made giant strides in Autonomy when they were HUGELY profitable and threw unlimited resources at it. Rivan's burning cash left and right and still hasn't reached profitability in any vehicle they sell.

I know FSD is more than that, but it's an expensive subscription. If you don't get it, a Tesla has worse autonomy than a Corolla. That was my point. I am perfectly ok with the basic autopilot on my older Tesla. The biggest use case for autonomy is highway driving and Autopilot works great there. Also I believe Rivian works fine in that use case too. Most people were just fine with that since the FSD take rate is low so they removed the free option. That anti consumer action is the biggest reason why i would never buy a Tesla again. It's not an issue of affordability for me since I subscribe to much more expensive things like lawn maintenance instead of doing it myself, but ideological. I refuse to be extorted as a customer.

 

[Mos Eisley]

A larger wheel isn't necessarily heavier?

Find one, then. Show me a wheel+tire combo where the one with the larger wheel is lighter.

Here's one.
And here's an offering from them for a Rivian.
BMW's M Wheels can be up to 40% lighter. There's a lot more to wheel weight than diameter. Flow-formed and forged wheels can be significant lighter than cast wheels, offsetting the losses to increased size (including width).

 

[Thebandit]

Here's one. BMW's M Wheels can be up to 40% lighter. There's a lot more to wheel weight than diameter.

...... You are completely missing the point. Show me a wheel where the larger wheel (with tire) is going to be lighter than the smaller wheel (with tire) for equivalent wheels and equal tire circumference.

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