Ford/Tesla Deal: Access to Superchargers, adapter coming, future EVs will have NACS (Tesla) port

[itselectric]

It could be that with a membership, EA is cheaper and maybe they can't charge at home. I have a Tesla and while the SC network is great when I'm traveling, I charge at home 99% of the time. I really don't care what I pay when I'm traveling but right now, it seems there really needs to be better access to charging infrastructure. Tesla has more plugs than all the CSS chargers combined by a factor of 2.

As someone who has owned both a Tesla and non-Tesla EV and took both on cross-country road trips in the past year, there are absolutely zero comparisons between the Tesla SC network and all of the other networks combined.

The amount of locations, reliability, charging speed reliability, ease of use, Tesla has zero competition. Current CCS charging network companies are holding EV adoption back.

If Rivian could get on this same boat, it would be a true blessing for all of us.

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[FutureTruck]

Think Rivian will do the same? Not a chance.

 

[DuoRivians]

As someone who has owned both a Tesla and non-Tesla EV and took both on cross-country road trips in the past year, there are absolutely zero comparisons between the Tesla SC network and all of the other networks combined.

The amount of locations, reliability, charging speed reliability, ease of use, Tesla has zero competition. Current CCS charging network companies are holding EV adoption back.

If Rivian could get on this same boat, it would be a true blessing for all of us.

Best consumer option is for Tesla to sell adapters directly to end customers so that they can use either Tesla chargers or CCS stations.

 

[itselectric]

Best consumer option is for Tesla to sell adapters directly to end customers so that they can use either Tesla chargers or CCS stations.

That's the plan, with ambiguity for Ford vehicles in 2025 that we discussed previously.

I don't see why Rivian owners and others can't just get the adapter.

 

[MrMetlHed]

I'd buy that adapter if Ford or Tesla made it available.

Yeah, this seems like the bigger news here. If Tesla is making an adapter for Ford (as an article on The Verge indicates,) I suspect that it will be available for anyone. So every vehicle that already has CCS can just use the adapter. And any manufacturer can choose to put whatever ports they want in going forward because there's be an adapter in either direction. Win for everyone. Frankly I don't care what's actually in the car if I can get an adapter.

 

[SANZC02]

From the press release

" Ford Motor Company said today it reached an agreement with Tesla Motors that will provide Ford electric vehicle customers access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada, doubling the number of fast-chargers available to Ford EV customers starting Spring 2024. "

True but hard to trust. It says the adapter will only work with version 3, that 12k number is old (or wrong). Tesla currently as of April has 17k super chargers but they are not mostly level 3. Assuming when they start adding the Tesla port it will open those vehicles it to all stations but that was not Discussed in the article.

Bottom line, I would welcome a Tesla port or a tesla adapter to my vehicle simply because of the options it would add.

I do wait way more frequently at Superchargers than I do at CCS chargers but that is probably because SoCal has tons of Teslas to compete for charging with.

 

[DuoRivians]

That's the plan, with ambiguity for Ford vehicles in 2025 that we discussed previously.

I don't see why Rivian owners and others can't just get the adapter.

That's the plan, with ambiguity for Ford vehicles in 2025 that we discussed previously.

I don't see why Rivian owners and others can't just get the adapter.

That would be great. Perhaps it was the Ford press release, but the presentation had a hint of making end customers possibly have to choose their cars again based on connection type—this would be bad for greater EV adoption

 

[SoCal Rob]

I thought there were issues with the Lightning charge port location (not sure about Mustang Mach e) and the length of the SuperCharger cable which caused problems when the first Magic Dock location opened. Is Tesla going to retrofit longer charging cables or will Ford move the charge port location?

 

[SANZC02]

Yeah, this seems like the bigger news here. If Tesla is making an adapter for Ford (as an article on The Verge indicates,) I suspect that it will be available for anyone. So every vehicle that already has CCS can just use the adapter. And any manufacturer can choose to put whatever ports they want in going forward because there's be an adapter in either direction. Win for everyone. Frankly I don't care what's actually in the car if I can get an adapter.

I would hope that would be possible but they could lock the communications to ford. The article does say activation is by Ford Pass and Ford Pro, that gives me pause as to think it will work.

 

[COdogman]

This will certainly help Elon get more government money. He loves that.

 

[itselectric]

I would hope that would be possible but they could lock the communications to ford. The article does say activation is by Ford Pass and Ford Pro, that gives me pause as to think it will work.

Jim Farley mentioned something about API access, so there is some software work it sounds like. My guess is that Ford is paying Tesla some overhead fee for integration purposes.

 

[SANZC02]

Jim Farley mentioned something about API access, so there is some software work it sounds like. My guess is that Ford is paying Tesla some overhead fee for integration purposes.

I would buy one from Ford or Tesla if there is a way to get it to work on the Rivian.

 

[MrMetlHed]

I would hope that would be possible but they could lock the communications to ford. The article does say activation is by Ford Pass and Ford Pro, that gives me pause as to think it will work.

Oh I'm sure Tesla is going to try to get their cut from manufacturers by charging API access on the backend for payments or something. Would be disappointing but not surprising.

I wonder if they're hoping to get any Inflation Reduction Act money from opening their chargers this way with an adapter -- a payment scheme that way would maybe violate the payment portions of the bill. And would just be frowned upon generally. They've proven already with the magic dock that the adapter doesn't require anything but an app to pay with, nothing from the vehicle itself.

 

[pricedm]

I thought there were issues with the Lightning charge port location (not sure about Mustang Mach e) and the length of the SuperCharger cable which caused problems when the first Magic Dock location opened. Is Tesla going to retrofit longer charging cables or will Ford move the charge port location?

Hopefully Rivian and Ford will relocate the charge port to driver side rear-- as Chevy did with their upcoming EV truck.

Tesla has v4 Supercharger--with longer cord--deployed in a few European locations. Eventually we will see this deployed in USA.

 

[uthatch]

WOW, a legacy auto manufacturer actually did something that makes sense for once! Maybe this will help push other companies to move to the NACS standard as well. Yes there's Elon. I don't care, CCS is a turd compared to the Tesla system in every single aspect.

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