Gen 2 Standard > Large battery pack.

[Electrified Outdoors]

I agree with this. Unfortunately, I think 270 will scare some people away, I wish they found away to hit 300. People don't understand how little they actually drive on daily basis, 270 is more than enough for the majority.

200, @75% suggested commuter/daily state of charge scares people even further, toss a rough winter in there you're under 150, and you just made a person an EV hater.

EV are still in the earlier adoption stage, starting to tip towards the early majority..I wish car companies would focus on market education rather than 0-60 times and theoretical range @ 100%.

Yeah agree... the 300 mile thing might be why we see a large pack option.

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[narmstrong79]

Yeah agree... the 300 mile thing might be why we see a large pack option.

Likely, but the it's very hard to justify that jump in price ($7k) for theoretically a 60 mile increase. Especially if the LFP can truly be charged to 100% vs NMC at 80%

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Likely, but the it's very hard to justify that jump in price ($7k) for theoretically a 60 mile increase. Especially if the LFP can truly be charged to 100% vs NMC at 80%

Agree...the folks at Rivian are really smart I tell ya...make a much better case then Gen1 to just go for the max pack. I have found that folks who suffer with range anxiety...and I don't knock them ..I had it for a while when I got my first EV...they want max range.

The price conscious buyer will be happy with the 270 for the lower price point and work around the lower range. Heck for many of them it may not be an issue at all.

I recall Rivian saying that a large percentage of their customers owned and ICE prior to their Rivian.

 

[Eric9610]

I think a lot of people are forgetting the pure physics of a battery in this discussion. As you get closer to 90%+ SOC the charging speed slows way down, not a problem when charging overnight but if you are in a pinch and need the usable 100% you will be waiting a long time compared to a large pack at 80%. I bet you can charge a large pack to 90% in the same time it takes to charge a standard to 100% and that's a significant range difference.

Also here are the negatives related to LFP vs Large pack:

• Lower energy density
• Heavier
• More temperature-sensitive charging
• lower power output

 

[Goose]

I don’t really have range anxiety for day to day activities. My only concern is towing my boat with an EV. My boat is Carbon/Kevlar and Fiberglass. With fuel and loaded out on the trailer it’s right at 3000lbs. I really want to make the jump to R1T but I need to know I can tow 150 miles one way. EV towing and subsequent charging are major road blocks for adoption. After talking with other fishing friends, they’re not even going to consider making the switch to EV until 400-500 miles range is the norm. With that said, the max pack prices out a lot of people too.

 

[bmwlad24]

Software locked is the assumption, Rivian has been shady on details

It is software locked, confirmed the a service center employee.

 

[narmstrong79]

Out of Spec with more details.

 

[Mathington]

The charging curve is pretty great, this LFP pack really does seem like the one to get if you aren't towing. Can't wait to see the range test results.

 

[C12farmer]

The charging curve is pretty great, this LFP pack really does seem like the one to get if you aren't towing. Can't wait to see the range test results.

At 14:40 he mentions ~240 miles on the range test. They do their range test at 70 mph and this R1S has the 22" wheels.

I really wish they'd publish more testing with the new 20" AS tires. The 20" AS are only supposed to be 4-5% less mileage than the 22" tires. That would put the range at ~230 miles.

 

[mpshizzle]

At 14:40 he mentions ~240 miles on the range test. They do their range test at 70 mph and this R1S has the 22" wheels.

I feel like I am really close to the big "I told you so" moment with regards to the efficiency. The gen 2 EPA range ratings are assuming close to 3 mi/kwh. Gen 1 EPA range ratings for Dual Large with the same wheels comes to ~2.6 mi/kwh.

That's A HUGE jump in efficiency given that it's still the same shaped brick with the same motors. I'm sure Gen 2 is more efficient. But not by that much.

If he did get ~240 on 92.5 kWh, that's just under 2.6... So Gen 2 Range claims are WAY overblown.

I wanna see more data and testing with other batteries and configs but yeah...

 

[narmstrong79]

I feel like I am really close to the big "I told you so" moment with regards to the efficiency. The gen 2 EPA range ratings are assuming close to 3 mi/kwh. Gen 1 EPA range ratings for Dual Large with the same wheels comes to ~2.6 mi/kwh.

That's A HUGE jump in efficiency given that it's still the same shaped brick with the same motors. I'm sure Gen 2 is more efficient. But not by that much.

If he did get ~240 on 92.5 kWh, that's just under 2.6... So Gen 2 Range claims are WAY overblown.

I wanna see more data and testing with other batteries and configs but yeah...

Gen 1 2024 EPA was about 2.48 mi/kwh combined on the 22s. (Not LFP)

 

[mpshizzle]

Gen 1 2024 EPA was about 2.48 mi/kwh combined on the 22s. (Not LFP)

Interesting... That's a noticeable discrepancy between EPA efficiency and calculated efficiency with Rivian's claimed battery size and range.

But yeah. In any case, claiming 3mi/kwh on gen 2 is outlandish imho

 

[narmstrong79]

Interesting... That's a noticeable discrepancy between EPA efficiency and calculated efficiency with Rivian's claimed battery size and range.

But yeah. In any case, claiming 3mi/kwh on gen 2 is outlandish imho

The 2025 aren't listed on the epa site yet. But the Gen 1 is a little inconsistent

Standard (Software locked Large) is at 2.40 (106kwh)
Standard Plus (software locked large) is 2.48 (121 kwh)
Large is 2.6 (131kwh)
Max is at 2.7 (141kwh)

You would think all the larges, regardless of capacity would be the same - since you're lugging around the same weight. And you'd assume the max would be lower, since it's heavier.

 

[narmstrong79]

Interesting... That's a noticeable discrepancy between EPA efficiency and calculated efficiency with Rivian's claimed battery size and range.

But yeah. In any case, claiming 3mi/kwh on gen 2 is outlandish imho

The "issue" is the range is software determined not a guess-o-meter like other EVs. Even the range displayed is EPA range + %, which is a bit confusing.

 

[Mathington]

I feel like I am really close to the big "I told you so" moment with regards to the efficiency. The gen 2 EPA range ratings are assuming close to 3 mi/kwh. Gen 1 EPA range ratings for Dual Large with the same wheels comes to ~2.6 mi/kwh.

That's A HUGE jump in efficiency given that it's still the same shaped brick with the same motors. I'm sure Gen 2 is more efficient. But not by that much.

If he did get ~240 on 92.5 kWh, that's just under 2.6... So Gen 2 Range claims are WAY overblown.

I wanna see more data and testing with other batteries and configs but yeah...

I'm very curious what wheel configuration was used for the EPA range tests for Gen 2 vehicles. One interesting thing I noticed on the Rivian website is that new 22 "Range" wheels have the same rated range as the 22" sport wheels.

I would love for @OutofSpecKyle to do a range comparison between two R1S of the same spec on the same day except on has sport wheels and the other has range wheels.

I really wonder if those new range wheels actually provide tangible difference in range or if they only look cool and I can save my $$ on the upgrade.

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