June Deliveries...

[JeremyMKE]

There will be no delay. This is COVID boredom mixed with your own brain trolling you. Stop doing that to yourself.

They can tell us literally nothing and still be able to produce vehicles without issue. Customer communication and production are not connected. Would it be nice to know more? Yup. Does it have any impact on production? Nope.

You are totally correct there is no direct correlation, we are left to speculate.
I am speculating as to why they aren't communicating. I just cant find the logic of it, the R1T's production spec should have been completed quite a while ago. Why aren't they communicating?

Its definitely COVID boredom, but I don't think I am insane for being concerned. I am not even getting Launch Green and I am baffled as to why we haven't seen it live.

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[Mjhirsch78]

It is very hard to fathom why they haven't been more open for sure. Heh. They would save themselves a lot of anxious pre-order folks if they would throw us a lot more info heh.

On a side note, I did some rough math (I teach English and so math and production of vehicles are well out of my wheel house; however puns are clearly in my area of expertise):

(total number of vehicles at the end of that week in parentheses)

June 1-4
(4) 1 per day
June 7-11
(44) 1/hour; 8 per day
June 14-18
(124) 2/hour; 16 per day
June 21-June 25
Add second shift; same 2/hour
(284) 32 per day
June 28-30
Keep same pace to assure no issues
(380) 32 per day
Assuming all has functioned jump up to 4/hr = 320/week
(700) 64 per day

At ONLY this pace =
(1580) End of July
(2860) End of August (R1S ramps up at similar rate, but is now mixed in with the R1T keeping current rate OR could actually pick up similar rate on TOP of the R1T)

~8000 by the end of the year even before accounting for R1S or assuming they keep that same pace, but mix in R1S and reduce R1T numbers.
OR
~13000 by the end of the year if they ramp up R1S at the same rate and don't reduce R1T production or even shift more of the R1T production into R1S production.

Remember there will likely be a good 2-week? delay between production and delivery. So June numbers might look like 44-124 delivered, but that doesn't mean their production isn't cranking at a rate that will fill all R1S and even start working into the Max Pack stuff for those of us waiting anxiously for next year.

Just food for thought.

 

[DaveA]

There were only 1500 Launch Edition Toyota Supras, a specialty vehicle. I consider the R1T a specialty vehicle as well...my gut tells me (its always wrong) that there are at most 5000 Launch Edition R1Ts. Just a feelin...

 

[cwoodcox]

These would all have to be set by now if June 30th was the delivery date?

How do you know they aren’t? How do you know they haven’t been set in stone for weeks? Months?

The complete details of the Vehicle should have been communicated. If Rivian is still working on supply chain to figure out what will make LE thats scary.

Why? Do they need to communicate the exact specs to you right now? You haven’t actually purchased one.

Just because they haven’t released or announced anything doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It’s arguably not even in their best interest to announce things until they have a car ready to ship to a customer who has signed the contract and paid for it.

 

[St Bernard]

How do you know they aren’t? How do you know they haven’t been set in stone for weeks? Months?



Why? Do they need to communicate the exact specs to you right now? You haven’t actually purchased one.

Just because they haven’t released or announced anything doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It’s arguably not even in their best interest to announce things until they have a car ready to ship to a customer who has signed the contract and paid for it.

Why do they need to communicate the exact specs to their Customers? Can’t think of one good reason other than a normal company would communicate as much about their product as they can. It might help sell the product. While RIVIAN may have enough orders for the first year that will not always be the case. The fact that the color they call “Launch” is still a mystery 4-6 weeks before delivery says it all.

 

[DucRider]

I'm guessing we will see a splashy "event" of some sort in the near future with a final reveal of actual production units in all the colors/interiors, with full specs available and all (or at least most) of the details people are looking for.

They'll possibly also formally announce the Test Drive program/schedule and let people know it is for reservation holders only (make yours today!).

Holding a big event where they reveal some anticipated concrete information (EPA ranges, i.e.) gets them more Press/PR than dribbling it out thru emails or thru CS.

 

[St Bernard]

I'm guessing we will see a splashy "event" of some sort in the near future with a final reveal of actual production units in all the colors/interiors, with full specs available and all (or at least most) of the details people are looking for.

They'll possibly also formally announce the Test Drive program/schedule and let people know it is for reservation holders only (make yours today!).

Holding a big event where they reveal some anticipated concrete information (EPA ranges, i.e.) gets them more Press/PR than dribbling it out thru emails or thru CS.

Interesting note from someone on the other Forum

“I spoke to CJ at Rivian yesterday, (May 11th) and asked what was going on. I am a very early adopter, Nov 29th, 2018, and hoped to be one of the first to get mine. He said that my guide should contact me soon, but could not say when. I asked about rumors that certain areas, California and others will get preference? He did not confirm or deny that. I then said that I would be willing to come to Normal and pick it up myself. Apparently a lot of people have asked about this. The answer was No! Seems like there is a Covid concern as well as other concerns that were not explained“.

 

[JeremyMKE]

How do you know they aren’t? How do you know they haven’t been set in stone for weeks? Months?



Why? Do they need to communicate the exact specs to you right now? You haven’t actually purchased one.

Just because they haven’t released or announced anything doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It’s arguably not even in their best interest to announce things until they have a car ready to ship to a customer who has signed the contract and paid for it.

If you want people to buy your product you tell them what it is.

Rivian will do what it feels is in its best interest. People have given them 1000$ me included for the opportunity to purchase the vehicle. They are under no obligation to actually sell me one.

As I said in my post I am running out of logical reasons why they would delay information release when they are supposedly less than 45 days from delivering a vehicle. The only reasons I can come up with are they dont want to promise something they cant deliver which means that they arent ready.

You dont see me talking about a test drive, that can happen pretty close to delivery.

If the vehicle is locked in terms of deliverable I don't see a competitive disadvantage that 30 more days will affect.

I would love to hear what disadvantage you think Rivian would incur by showing me the colors of the exterior and interior, the infotainment experience, the EPA ratings, crash tests, that they would do in 30 days from now?

DO you think that 30 days will cause Ford to steal an idea that is critical to that timeframe?

 

[GoWest!]

That at a minimum RJ gets his delivery by the end of June. ?

And Shaq!

 

[skyote]

And Shaq!

I doubt that. His will have to go to West Coast Customs first.

 

[McRat]

They really should set up Jay Leno. A lot of auto enthusiasts follow him.

 

[ActionDH]

Maybe, they are trying hard to make the 180 kWh battery available for LE ??

 

[cwoodcox]

If you want people to buy your product you tell them what it is.

As I said in my post I am running out of logical reasons why they would delay information release when they are supposedly less than 45 days from delivering a vehicle. The only reasons I can come up with are they dont want to promise something they cant deliver which means that they arent ready.

I would love to hear what disadvantage you think Rivian would incur by showing me the colors of the exterior and interior, the infotainment experience, the EPA ratings, crash tests, that they would do in 30 days from now?

DO you think that 30 days will cause Ford to steal an idea that is critical to that timeframe?

they have nothing to gain at this point from announcing anything sooner than the point of ordering. Preorders generate hype and gather data, both are great assets when trying to raise funding. Rivian needs none of the above at this point.

You’re right that they have nothing to lose, but they don’t really have anything to gain either, except placating a few overly anxious enthusiasts.

A slow, metered reveal keeps people talking about it for longer leading up to release.

 

[cwoodcox]

Why do they need to communicate the exact specs to their Customers? Can’t think of one good reason other than a normal company would communicate as much about their product as they can. It might help sell the product. While RIVIAN may have enough orders for the first year that will not always be the case.

But will announcing anything 45 days before deliveries begin change that? They might sway a few people who will choose to buy something else in that 45 days, that may have otherwise waited, but that number is ??

 

[ERguy]

Yeah, I hope Tesla has it together by then. I have a Cybertruck reservation. I'm also going to reserve an F150 EV later this month when the system opens up.

Ford plans to have the F150 EV out mid 2022. If they don't get delayed, they may be able to deliver a truck to me before anybody else.

I ordered my Cybertruck last summer and don't expect mine before mid 2023 at best. I'm like 500k or 600k in line or maybe even farther down.

I will not order a Rivian until final specs are released, so I won't get one until late 2022 best case scenario if I order this summer.

I would be happy with either the Ford, Rivian, or Cybertruck. They each have their own positives.

I will end up buying whichever one is able to be delivered first. At this point I suspect it will be Ford.

I did buy a Ford Mach e. Ordered December 2020. Will pick it up in a few weeks when delivered to dealer.

It takes about a month just to ship a mach e across the US from Kansas City where they all come off the train from Mexico. They use trains for most of the transport unless the final destination is relatively close to Kansas City. In that case, they use trucks for the final delivery to dealerships.

Unless Rivian has a way to transport their vehicles that is much faster than Ford, they would need to start shipping trucks the first week of June to meet their delivery timeline. Or they could just deliver a few within close proximity to the factory in order to avoid using trains, which are incredibly slow in the Ford example.

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