Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 R22 115H installed

[kong]

Very interesting that many people report a range loss and your reporting a gain. Obviously location and driving style come into play, these will be my next tires. May I ask what 22" rims you went to please and if you know how much they weigh? I am wondering if the rims you went to are lighter and that is the reason for the range increase, currently running 22" Rivian sport dark rims.

You’re absolutely right. My rims are slightly lighter than the OEM 22s, weighing in at 32 lbs each. I opted for the Kaos 22s, and the combination of a lighter but larger wheel with the Michelin MS2/115H seems to be the sweet spot for me on NY roads.

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[Joe Hoffman]

How much range loss are we talking about?

I’ve seen no range loss, or even a slight increase.
I don’t know why someone thinks they’re losing range with the Michelin’s.

 

[mudito]

I’ve seen no range loss, or even a slight increase.
I don’t know why someone thinks they’re losing range with the Michelin’s.

Allegedly, the rolling resistance is higher (Non-EV optimized), hence range loss might be expected.

 

[kanundrum]

Michelin normally is better in that subject than Pirelli's. Though the treadwear rating hits to a harder tire for the French's, I would still think they behave pretty decent on the dry grip domain

Seems like a justified concern. someone in one of the Michelin threads mentioned poor grip in rain. Living in SoCal I haven’t been able to test these in the wet yet, but my Pirellis didn’t have much grip last year when we had our heaviest rainfall year in a while.

I think if I was going to see snow or more rain I’d stick with one of the AT options. Or get a 2nd set of wheels with maybe the Toyos. But for this climate, I’m loving the smooth ride of the Michelins.

I changed wheels and tires from 21" to aftermarket 20" to fit the defenders. I initially saw a ~10% reduction in range, but after a few thousand miles, it seems like they match or exceed the OEM tires.



There's definitely less grip in the dry. In the wet I don't think I've noticed any significant reduction. They are much more communicative and progressive when the slip, however. Ride quality is *mostly* improved, though steering feel took a hit.

I've got about 12k miles on mine, I'm down from 11/32 to 10/32. I was to the wear bars (3-4/32) on my OEM Pirellis in 17k miles.

Overall, for $100 cheaper per tire and will last 2-4x as long... I'm super happy with the change.

Considering how aggressive I drive and I think the grip on the pirellies are lacking this cemented my thoughts as to lack of grip on these. I really need to determine if I want 22s or 20s when my goal is super high performance all seasons which seems to be a niche category in these sizes.

 

[Hopper]

not too much. Maybe .1-.2 ? That’s been my experience and there seems to be a few others in the various Michelin threads reporting similar.

I was surprised that it didn’t improve going from the Pirelli ATs to these all seasons but i guess it’s an issue of weight and rolling resistance.

My experience going from 20” ATs to the Michelins as well. A tiny bit lower range, but a vastly improved ride and soooo quiet.

 

[mudito]

Considering how aggressive I drive and I think the grip on the pirellies are lacking this cemented my thoughts as to lack of grip on these. I really need to determine if I want 22s or 20s when my goal is super high performance all seasons which seems to be a niche category in these sizes.

I had 21" High performance all season on my previous car (BMW X3 M40i) but the profile wasn't even close to the OEM dimensions, and I don't remember the load numbers but I'm sure those won't cut it.

I found the Pirelli's grippy enough (at least here on Texas roads) that I can barely make them spin with Reduced Traction Control while launching it. So I can afford a higher treadwear with a bit of a lower grip

 

[snowboarder777]

I am getting average of 2.5 on the long distance highway driving with these Michelins on my 21s for the quad motor large battery pack R1S which is very good. City and highway average is 2.2 or so which isnt that much different from the pirellis.

Just to be aware the tires need break in period of 500 plus miles to get the coating off and the range will improve.

 

[kanundrum]

I had 21" High performance all season on my previous car (BMW X3 M40i) but the profile wasn't even close to the OEM dimensions, and I don't remember the load numbers but I'm sure those won't cut it.

I found the Pirelli's grippy enough (at least here on Texas roads) that I can barely make them spin with Reduced Traction Control while launching it. So I can afford a higher treadwear with a bit of a lower grip

These look promising

 

[mudito]

These look promising

Love Yokos
But 420 treadwear... That's a low number for the rubber-eater Quad Motors ?

 

[ksurfier]

Also only 31.9”, so too small and recommend >600 UTQG if you are looking to get any tread life out of your tires (or >16/32 if there’s no UTQG rating…)

 

[usofrob]

I'd like to find some 300+/- treadwear tires for the summer. Max grip for the season. I'm disappointed with the truck tire options for summer tires. I'm excited about the Gen2 QM tires.

I wonder if the Yokohama Parada Spec-X tires actually have a lot more grip. Yokohama usually makes good tires. I assume the low price is due to a close out sale or something.

 

[gsqrd]

OP here. Just drove 140mi on 50% battery. 90mi fwy 70+, 10 mi Fwy stop/go, 40 Mi suburbs Go/stop. 2mi/kwh.

 

[Whale Blubber]

I've got the same tires in 22. Switched from the Pirelli 22s. First 1000 miles my range was down a bit, but after break in period, over course of the second thousand, I'm right around 2.1-2.2, which is pretty close to my avg efficiency with the OEM Pirelli's. (2.27 for 15k miles). The ride is far more comfortable., and the sidewalls are slightly wider in profile so much easier to avoid curb rash. In terms of traction, they fishtail easier under hard cornering + acceleration out of the turn. I haven't been able to test them in wet conditions yet, but the Pirelli's were pretty bad in water, so I'm hopeful these will be an improvement. Overall, very happy with them, and much less expensive than replacing with Pirelli.

 

[BeanEW]

Noise is my biggest concern; it seems Michelin will be my best choice.

 

[Chinna]

115 H rating is allowed to install ?

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