Need tires, decision paralysis.

[VermontR1T]

I’m now even more excited to burn my pirellis down and move on from them.
I just can’t decide whether to run Hakkas in the winter or try running the outpost nAT year round, since it sounds like they may be one of the few 3 peak snow rated ATs that’s a decently capable tire in the cold months. It seems that this tire is finally getting some traction on this forum too (oof, I know ??‍).

I’m in VT as well and ran the studded hakapelitas this past winter and they were awesome! I am definitely interested in the Outpost.

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[COdogman]

From your list I have used the Toyos, but it was on my Tacoma prior to getting my Rivian. I can confirm it’s a great tire both on/ off road in all weather conditions. The EV version of that tire should be pretty similar other than the compound and it’s hard to say how much of a difference that makes, especially on a much heavier vehicle.

I know there have been a couple folks here who got Discount/ America’s Tire to order/ install the EV version so it may be worth pressing them on it if you are interested.

 

[abram]

Discount ordered and mounted the Toyo AT3 EV 275/65/20 for me. Wasn’t in the system yet but ordered it from Toyo if I recall.

Oh really? That’s interesting I suppose I should call and ask again. When I inquired about them they said they didn’t have them in the system or a way to get them as of yet (I suppose this is going to be a store by store scenario). Thanks for the tip though!

 

[abram]

Have you looked into the Nokian Outpost nAT 275/65? I found out about this tire 6+ months ago while I was trying to help my father select a tire to replace his obnoxiously loud (and surprisingly poor performing, at least in anything slimy) pirelli 20” ATs. I was surprised how little information or anecdote there was about these tires when I first read about them. Perhaps it is because Nokian is relatively new to the AT market? Our heavy equipment tire supplier did say his whole crew ran them for the last year (through last winter) and had nothing but great things to say about them (just another anecdote, but one that got me closer to convinced that they would be suited to our environment—VT throws a lot of mud, mixed precip, and generally low traction surfaces at us throughout any given year).

My father finally took the plunge on these Nokians at 21k miles on his 20” pirelli ATs and described them as “completely changing the vehicle for the better in every conceivable way—silence, at long last, better road feel while being more compliant and absorbing of road imperfections, better traction in the wet and slimy, better tracking, better everything!” I haven’t had a chance to take his R1T out yet, but I did see them in person and they look great. He is generally curmudgeonly about things such as this (Rivian choosing a crappy tire on his fancy new truck), and ran his tires down to not legal—his extremely positive experience so far at least to me indicates they are really vastly better.

I’m now even more excited to burn my pirellis down and move on from them.
I just can’t decide whether to run Hakkas in the winter or try running the outpost nAT year round, since it sounds like they may be one of the few 3 peak snow rated ATs that’s a decently capable tire in the cold months. It seems that this tire is finally getting some traction on this forum too (oof, I know ??‍).

José from Rivian tracker seems to be getting same or better range to the factory 20” AT, which is impressive given the Outpost’s added weight (58lbs.)

I had looked at those based on the feedback I’ve been seeing here, to my knowledge they’re not available through my preferred shop. Also, and I’m a little embarrassed to say this, but as with the nittos, I don’t really love how they look.

I know that’s not the whole story on tires, but aesthetics on vehicles is highly subjective.

 

[Steamingoat1]

I have to buy tires in the very near future and I'm stuck trying to decide after seemingly endless research. I have the 20" ATs, and my Pirellis just didn't last long enough for me (though I had no complaints on their performance or comfort). I know I'm going to have to make some compromises with range, but I have a couple hard requirements. I want to be able to buy them through America's Tire (it's just my preferred shop and I want to continue going there) and they need to be All-Terrains. Since America's Tire does not yet have the Toyo Open Country ATIII EV, I can't keep waiting unfortunately. I know I can order through SimpleTire.com but I am not familiar enough with them to be comfortable.

Important features to me are dry/wet handling (I'll seldom see snow) and a good balance of on and off road performance. Ideally not too loud or uncomfortable either. I know each of these choices are going to negatively impact my range.

So in my research I've decided my top three choices are the BFG KO3, the Falken Wildpeak AT4W and the Toyo Open Country ATIII (I'd have to "settle" for the non-EV variant here). I'll be sticking to the stock 275/65R20 size and I'm seemingly locked to getting LT tires which obviously ups the weight class. I'm honestly just torn on which to choose. I understand the perks and drawbacks of each, and at least on paper it feels like the Wildpeaks are my best choice, but their considerable weight has me hesitating.

Given my requirements, can anyone help me decide?

I’m listening very closely. I do have the same decision to make and been thinking of the same three tires. It’s funny because I really like the Perelli‘s. They check all the boxes for me. I want to try something different. My big problem is traveling 185 miles to the Sierra Nevada at 8000 feet I have to have range. Had 100% charged. I usually have only 20-35 miles left. The Pirelli do it for me so why not stick with them. lol

 

[abram]

How much time do you realistically have left to wait? Given everything you’re saying, I would recommend the KO3s (I myself have the AT4Ws). I’m giving you this recommendation independent of range impact - but with the KO3s in the 50lbs range you’ll be better off than my AT4Ws in the 60ls range. The reason I’m recommending them is because of your distinction “I barely see snow”.

The AT4Ws are the best hybrid AT for folks who see snow somewhat commonly. The KO3s are the best hybrid AT for folks who are more dry/wet conditions rather than cold climate.

the crux here is you say you can’t wait any longer because there is a high chance BFG will release a C or D load KO3 in stock 275/65/20 size, which will help a lot with range impact over your E-Load tires.

lastly, I really don’t think you need to be so worried about simpletire, tirerack etc. I’ve used both several times and there is no issue having the tires shipped to your preferred store. IF you are truly out of time on the pirellis AND you can get over your online shop anxiety, then I’d order the Toyo AT3 EVs today.

Due to my uneven wear my fronts are still “ok” between 6-7/32 (variation between outside, middle and inside) my right rear is about 5-6/32 and my left rear is a solid 4/32. It’s that left rear that has me concerned ultimately. It’s not unsafe yet but I need to get it done on the sooner side.

Also re: KO3/AT4W the weight is I believe only a 2lb difference per tire. The KO3 on paper is 63lb and the AT4W is 65lb. That being said, good tip regarding condition differences, thank you! I’m Southern California based so it’s typically dry and hot, until it isn’t then it’s soggy and wet lol.

Also appreciate the feedback on the online vendors. I should have phrased my post better, I know they are safe companies to work with, but I’ve just grown dependent on the convenience of Americas Tire (Discount). The rotations and servicing and replacement certificates (and good service I’ve received over the years) keeps me coming back.

 

[Kunzene]

I have 15k on the Toyo OC AT3s (EV version wasn’t available yet). About 5% range hit vs the Pirellis for me (2.22 m/kWh avg). I’ve been happy with them, they have gotten a bit louder as they’ve worn but nothing like the Pirellis were. Highway handling is maybe a slight downgrade vs the originals. Off-road performance is great and they are wearing better than the original tires as well.

 

[abram]

Have you looked at the Goodyear Wranglers? Here's the thread link:

Goodyear

I hadn’t as I wanted to stay with the stock 275/65R20 size

 

[abram]

Thank you all for sharing your insights and opinions, it’s really appreciated!

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Due to my uneven wear my fronts are still “ok” between 6-7/32 (variation between outside, middle and inside) my right rear is about 5-6/32 and my left rear is a solid 4/32. It’s that left rear that has me concerned ultimately. It’s not unsafe yet but I need to get it done on the sooner side.

Also re: KO3/AT4W the weight is I believe only a 2lb difference per tire. The KO3 on paper is 63lb and the AT4W is 65lb. That being said, good tip regarding condition differences, thank you! I’m Southern California based so it’s typically dry and hot, until it isn’t then it’s soggy and wet lol.

Also appreciate the feedback on the online vendors. I should have phrased my post better, I know they are safe companies to work with, but I’ve just grown dependent on the convenience of Americas Tire (Discount). The rotations and servicing and replacement certificates (and good service I’ve received over the years) keeps me coming back.

I don't like influencers, but those were the two videos I watched that got me decided on the AT4W vs KO3.

The bottom line is this isn't a one tire better vs the other situation. It purely depends on use case and for Southern California, the KO3s are the king. Now if you lived in Oregon or Washington I'd say AT4W.

 

[Tarkus]

FWIW, After 40k miles & two sets of OEM 21" Pirelli's Tires & Rims & the discontinuation of the 21" Road Wheels (and most tire selling locations have noticed the discontinuation of the 21" Pirellis & jacked the cost past $525 per tire...), I just order from Tire Rack & had a local shop in Massachusetts install these, Radius WI35 20" Rims & the new R1S Gen2 OEM Tires (Goodyear Wrangler AT for $255 each vs $525+ for Pirelli) and with 900+ miles this past week, so far, so good. I expected more road noise due to the tire pattern difference & that's what I got. We'll have to see about the tread life as there is none listed

 

[Hawkjody]

I have to buy tires in the very near future and I'm stuck trying to decide after seemingly endless research. I have the 20" ATs, and my Pirellis just didn't last long enough for me (though I had no complaints on their performance or comfort). I know I'm going to have to make some compromises with range, but I have a couple hard requirements. I want to be able to buy them through America's Tire (it's just my preferred shop and I want to continue going there) and they need to be All-Terrains. Since America's Tire does not yet have the Toyo Open Country ATIII EV, I can't keep waiting unfortunately. I know I can order through SimpleTire.com but I am not familiar enough with them to be comfortable.

Important features to me are dry/wet handling (I'll seldom see snow) and a good balance of on and off road performance. Ideally not too loud or uncomfortable either. I know each of these choices are going to negatively impact my range.

So in my research I've decided my top three choices are the BFG KO3, the Falken Wildpeak AT4W and the Toyo Open Country ATIII (I'd have to "settle" for the non-EV variant here). I'll be sticking to the stock 275/65R20 size and I'm seemingly locked to getting LT tires which obviously ups the weight class. I'm honestly just torn on which to choose. I understand the perks and drawbacks of each, and at least on paper it feels like the Wildpeaks are my best choice, but their considerable weight has me hesitating.

Given my requirements, can anyone help me decide?

My research has led me to Nokian Outpost nAT - i plan on putting the smaller tire on my 20' wheels the 275/60 R20 when the time comes

 

[Tarkus]

My research has led me to Nokian Outpost nAT - i plan on putting the smaller tire on my 20' wheels the 275/60 R20 when the time comes

Thanks Hawkjody, I'll add these to the list in case these Gen2 OEM Tires don't make it 20k (usually 5-6 months for me)

 

[abram]

I don't like influencers, but those were the two videos I watched that got me decided on the AT4W vs KO3.

The bottom line is this isn't a one tire better vs the other situation. It purely depends on use case and for Southern California, the KO3s are the king. Now if you lived in Oregon or Washington I'd say AT4W.

I appreciate all the insight. I was primarily torn between the two as they seemed to do everything I wanted (with range loss being the only real penalty). The EV Toyos seem really promising, but also based on the pricing they’re by far the most expensive (though the discount coupon on Simpletire helps considerably).

I think this is all helping steer me towards the KO3!

 

[iansriv]

I hadn’t as I wanted to stay with the stock 275/65R20 size

The Goodyear is my next set. It was designed for the Rivian specifically. Please, read the thread. One of the Goodyear engineers is on it. Cheers.

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