Paid my $2500 for Autonomy+

[R1S Fan]

I paid $2,000 for Tesla's "Full Self Driving" in 2019. I hope your investment turns out better than mine has!

I paid $2,000 for Tesla's "Full Self Driving" in 2019. I hope your investment turns out better than mine has!

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[R1S Fan]

I paid $7500 for FSD in 2017. It went up to $15000. Now you can’t buy it any more (monthly only).

 

[norivian]

Is monthly subscription going to remain $50? Most probably not as more capabilities are added.

How much sw upgrades and features can Gen 2 hardware take.

 

[DuoRivian]

Is monthly subscription going to remain $50? Most probably not as more capabilities are added.

How much sw upgrades and features can Gen 2 hardware take.

The current version 2 of ADAS can go upto L3 autonomy so well above what we have currently.

 

[DawgPound]

Well I haven't tried it in stop and go cause I didn't trust it..... Can you elaborate on how well that works? Trying to decide if it's worth it to pay, and I admit on the open highway it's really nice

it really dose shine in stop and go. total y removes the stress. used it in the Philly area coming north and it managed through the 95 to 476 exchange flawlessly. it did have some issues further north on 476 where there is ton of construction and the road lines aren't there anymore. I took it off, drove the 2 mins through the constructions zone where they are removing the toll booths and it drove me th rest of the way home, twice now...also use it for driving on 22 here in the Lehigh valley and it manages the stop and go as well as the 25>55>35>20>45... very well also. on the hw I usually set it to medium, but for stop and go and heavy hw traffic I set it to spicy, just to keep the gaps a little tighter and the response to the person in front moving a little closer to what I would do...

 

[Supratachophobia]

I'm going to chime in again. Just did 700 miles with eyes-on. No chance in hell this is worth either the one-time or the monthly. Haptic parenting for no charge is good enough. I mean, it's the same system/redundancies/"quality", far less nag, especially when punching in an address and mistyping.

Side roads, etc., really no benefit while it's still in it's infancy and not compatible with stop lights.

Huge miss here by Rivian both in the cost and communicating the value. The latter question being "how good is it really?" over a normal driver and what are the condition limitations. Once again, failure to set expectations.

 

[Tone88]

So is there any guarantee of what additional features or level of autonomy included in the one time fee? Ie, Are they gonna charge me an extra $500 once the ability to stop at stoplight and stoplight is there?

 

[Great Gatsby]

Am I the only owner that gives nearly zero craps about autonomy? At almost all levels beyond adaptive cruise I could, quite literally, not care less.

Am I missing something spectacular in the experience of using it?

All of the FSD Tesla, and Driver+ miles I've driven have just felt like moving the workload from "driving" to "monitoring the system that is driving". I never felt like there was enough trust gained to actually reduce the drivers workload.

Maybe I'm just a luddite?!?!

What version of FSD have you used? Hate to be that guy, but it really is a world of a difference depending on the hardware or version being used.

Personally, something like FSD takes a huge mental load off. I love to drive. I'm a driver first. But do I love endless highway traffic or bumper to bumper commuting? No. That is where FSD comes in.

Version 14 is IMO "good enough". People's milage may vary, but it has my trust. I'm not stressing it or babysitting it while it does its thing. It is certainly a value add. We had V13 briefly and was definitely babysitting the car more then. V14 feels a lot more confident, but still not perfect.

If Rivian can do point to point driving in a similar manner, then $2,500 is an absolute steal, though I doubt this price will stick once more improvements come.

 

[2kwik4u]

What version of FSD have you used? Hate to be that guy, but it really is a world of a difference depending on the hardware or version being used.

Personally, something like FSD takes a huge mental load off. I love to drive. I'm a driver first. But do I love endless highway traffic or bumper to bumper commuting? No. That is where FSD comes in.

Version 14 is IMO "good enough". People's milage may vary, but it has my trust. I'm not stressing it or babysitting it while it does its thing. It is certainly a value add. We had V13 briefly and was definitely babysitting the car more then. V14 feels a lot more confident, but still not perfect.

If Rivian can do point to point driving in a similar manner, then $2,500 is an absolute steal, though I doubt this price will stick once more improvements come.

So, two things here.

First I get the "it takes time to build trust" side of things. I've had the Rivian for 18mo now and largely trust it's lane centering, although it has to regain that trust after every update, which steals some value from it IMO. I almost implicitly trust adaptive cruise because I've had it in the last 3 vehicles, and aside from some general "tuning" squabbles, it's quite predictable.

Did a road trip in a friends Model3 Performance. Just asked, and he's on 12.6.4. Says something about being locked on that hardware because of the vehicle, guessing it's a hardware limitation or something like that. Probably similar to what Rivian has with the 1st gen vs 2nd gen thing. Maybe I'm just behind on hardware/software, but the whole experience of FSD or Autonomy+ just continues to be workload management. If I'm not driving, but still sit there and have to monitor it, then I'm not really saving much. Perhaps the ability to look at scenery, or check messages, or similar, but I'm not really "unplugged" from the driving process. So, city streets, and route navigation and highway/downtown traffic are still relying on me to be largely attentive. Beyond that, we have road trip/long highway sections......which are already pretty easy with just lane centering and adaptive cruise.

Again, maybe I'm just a luddite, maybe I have trust issues, who knows. I just struggle to see the value in those systems.

 

[tmbm50]

What about it sucks? I have used it all the time and it has only gotten better after each release. I am not really there with turn by turn 'FSD' but for the highway and putzing around town it is fantastic.

Do you guys not get phantom braking? I used it on a 14hr round trip, all highway, 2026 R1T. The number of times it decided to slam on the brake because there is 18 wheeler going slow on the right, or who knows why, was so frequent my wife made me turn it off. It was giving panic attacks its so abrupt.

 

[lefkonj]

Do you guys not get phantom braking? I used it on a 14hr round trip, all highway, 2026 R1T. The number of times it decided to slam on the brake because there is 18 wheeler going slow on the right, or who knows why, was so frequent my wife made me turn it off. It was giving panic attacks its so abrupt.

Maybe once or twice no more or less than my Audi A7 with its system before I traded it in.

 

[tmbm50]

Maybe once or twice no more or less than my Audi A7 with its system before I traded it in.

My Tesla X and Volvo EX90 stopped phantom breaking in like 2020.....I ain't paying for that. I really like my R1T but I'm not paying for beta software with promises.

 

[TexasBob]

I am still very much in the "no way" camp on this. The note we received from Rivian confirmed that the $50 a month only enables two pretty marginal features:

1. Hands Free (which is basically zero value vs the "hands on" in our gen 1)
2. the semi-automatic lane change (initiate with the stalk) which is hardly better than the Gen 1

There is just nothing here that is work paying for IMO.

 

[VegasWeezy]

Sure thing - from my perspective, it's very solid, and I really like how Rivian's system allows for some driver input/guidance without suddenly disengaging entirely, allowing you to partner up with the vehicle.

And keep in mind, Rivian isn't doing Point-to-Point navigation yet, so this is mostly very intelligent lane keeping, speed sensing, lane changing when prompted, etc. I frequently have to drive between cities, there and back in a day, so the fatigue/cramps from that much time in the car is real. The updates they've dropped in the past six months make it such that I get on the highway, turn on autonomy and let the car handle lane and speed when going through rush hour traffic (Houston is terrible!). It relieves me from the stop and start, keeping pressure on the accelerator, etc.

The updates they dropped after autonomy day made this all possible - a year ago, this only worked on a very small set of pre-mapped roads.

Other than the lane changing, what you're describing sounds like all you need is a lane keeping/centering feature and adaptive cruise control. Most vehicles (EV or otherwise) have these features standard.

What am I missing? Is standard adaptive cruise control behind a pay wall on Rivian vehicles? Sorry for my ignorance, but I do not own a Rivian (yet!).

My Mach e has adaptive cruise control as a standard feature (with the start/stop lack of a need to touch the accelerator feature you mentioned), and this is all I ever need on a long road trip.

 

[norivian]

Do you guys not get phantom braking? I used it on a 14hr round trip, all highway, 2026 R1T. The number of times it decided to slam on the brake because there is 18 wheeler going slow on the right, or who knows why, was so frequent my wife made me turn it off. It was giving panic attacks its so abrupt.

Initially that i can count with fingers on one hand but not anymore and just slowing down (than slamming) in a few spots now. I haven’t had it as bad as Tesla a few years back. I also haven’t experienced any sudden swerving in rivian as tesla did very dangerously even in busy roads and intersections.
It’s always good to reboot the vehicle once you feel it starting to act up.

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