R2 w/ LiDAR, 19-inch wheels spied

[iamnid]

This might be an unpopular opinion:

I think the Lidar cutout at the top of the windshield looks ugly.

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[rvnxyz001]

They will release it faster if the majority of people choose to wait for it instead of buying now. Sales numbers will be the best motivation for them.

 

[Eric9610]

Rivian has no shortage of orders based on emails going out for order windows. This is not a fast switch, and I believe they are already running into chip constraints.

 

[Jeremy3292]

They will release it faster if the majority of people choose to wait for it instead of buying now. Sales numbers will be the best motivation for them.

Not really. They waited for a reason, not bc they wanted to. Likely parts shipment and validation.

 

[rfkxyz]

This might be an unpopular opinion:

I think the Lidar cutout at the top of the windshield looks ugly.

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[tgrick]

This chat topic is important as we all need to make a choice to go with the LE or wait. I keep thinking of one thing that does not seem to pop up in these 'discussions' and that's RADAR. I do not think Tesla uses RADAR but RIVIAN does and this fact also has to play a role in autonomy? Am I wrong? I'm really not sure. My understanding is that the RADAR has a range of about 1000 feet or so. In the rain LiDAR might not work? RADAR if I'm not mistaken would work. Does anyone know? I'm just thinking that having cameras and RADAR make the R2 more capable than Tesla in theory? Anyone care to add? I do not own a Tesla and the R2 will be my 1st EV.

 

[r2fb]

This is also false. The reuters report was about data labelers. They have nothing to do with mapping. Tesla was training robotaxi specific features like pickup an dropoff while avoiding bike lanes. Tesla was using austin data to do it since they had to do test driving anyways.

I had interpreted data labeling as "HD maps" so you're correct that it uses regular maps, but that Data labeling task is also very labor intensive like how Waymo is doing with their scans. But you're wrong in saying Waymo is worse than Tesla, they have way more unsupervised driving experience than Tesla.

The basic level of driving required to do unsupervised is very low with HD maps

This is completely downplaying the work Waymo did. The maps are just the maps the cars should still be able to navigate around traffic and people and that's not that easy.

 

[sparked]

This chat topic is important as we all need to make a choice to go with the LE or wait. I keep thinking of one thing that does not seem to pop up in these 'discussions' and that's RADAR. I do not think Tesla uses RADAR but RIVIAN does and this fact also has to play a role in autonomy? Am I wrong? I'm really not sure. My understanding is that the RADAR has a range of about 1000 feet or so. In the rain LiDAR might not work? RADAR if I'm not mistaken would work. Does anyone know? I'm just thinking that having cameras and RADAR make the R2 more capable than Tesla in theory? Anyone care to add? I do not own a Tesla and the R2 will be my 1st EV.

Rivian is launching R2 with Dual Mode radar and new updated cameras. It's too hard to compare Tesla and Rivian directly as they are in much different time periods in development. We might only be able to start comparing the two at the end of the year when Rivian's Point to Point comes out.

Tesla has had a lot of time to adapt to their vision only strategy and multiple generations of compute. Rivian is missing all that development time. Rivian is using extra sensors to try to catch up to Tesla even though they think vision only could work.

 

[gd_r1t]

Acknowledging we don't know anything until Rivian makes official announcements, is there a community consensus about whether it's likely Rivian would or wouldn't raise prices when the added Lidar hardware is layered in?

 

[sparked]

Acknowledging we don't know anything until Rivian makes official announcements, is there a community consensus about whether it's likely Rivian would or wouldn't raise prices when the added Lidar hardware is layered in?

No consensus on a possible price increase. Have to wait till they say. You could argue it both ways. In-house chip saves them money per car where they don't have to pay nvidia tax. And they've said Lidar is only a few hundred dollars.

 

[Eric9610]

I think a big point that people are missing is that on the Tesla HW4 they only process 200 TOPS max. The current hardware on the R2 is 254 TOPS. So, in theory the current R2 can accomplish everything tesla is doing along with L3/L4...

The real advantage the Rap 1 provides with the 1600 Tops is the on-device processing of raw LiDAR data.

 

[rvnxyz001]

This chat topic is important as we all need to make a choice to go with the LE or wait.

For resale value, I think it makes sense to wait for the R2 with lidar (Gen 3 hardware), especially if you plan to buy instead of lease...

It is not because lidar will make the car self-driving overnight. The bigger issue is that early R2s could end up being seen as the pre-lidar/outdated version.

For a lease, I would not worry too much. But for a long-term purchase, I would rather not spend $60k+ OTD on the version right before a "better" hardware upgrade arrives

 

[savethemanual]

No consensus. Have to wait till they say. You could argue it both ways. In-house cheap saves them money per car where they don't have to pay nvidia tax. And they've said Lidar is only a few hundred dollars.

I know Rivian wants the data, so I can easily see them putting LiDAR in every vehicle standard.

 

[Eric9610]

If the new federal driving laws are upheld and go into effect all pre 2027 cars will hold or grow in value.

 

[Alan in Tempe]

Everything else is supervised, and supervising is driving. It's just an assist, nothing game changing as evidenced by its lack of popularity. You either have a cab that drives for you and you don't need to pay attention, or a good driver assist system and no driver assistance is going to transform the way we travel.

My experience says otherwise. On our many 175 mile trips in our Mach-e, I find the hands free for 150 miles extremely useful. Where that 2.5 hr trip before the handsfree assist used to leave me worn down, needing a quick nap to rest my eyes and relax my body, the Bluecruise leaves me feeling like I only drove half an hour or so; completely ready to go when I reach the destination. I pay attention the entire drive, but am far more relaxed, and spend a bit more time enjoying the scenery, if only for 10 seconds or so at a time, rather than two or three seconds at a time. It really does make a huge difference in reducing stress on otherwise boring drives. I love driving, especially twisty mountain roads and such, but 75MPH freeways were meant for hands free assistance.

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