Rivian drops Max Pack from latest post? ?

[Ripped]

Still seeing a maxpack on my config, and everything else Rivian is doing seems to be tracking,
Even if I order today I can add the maxpack.
As I read the literature, there is the suggestion the max pack will enjoy a potential higher charging rate
Maybe something new exciting for those orders that come in the future... but not yet

Overall saying Rivian dopped the maxpack Seems like a misleading post title, as I can configure a new one today.

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[Monkey]

With all due respect, this is an irrational statement.

1) Max pack does not exist today
2) F150 is a better fit, by your account
3) If and when Rivian starts max pack, your F150 will be built and sold to you or someone else

So what you're saying is that you're holding out for a mirage when a better suited option is in front of you. Its just that the mirage is more appealing even-though its just a mirage.

Umm…. Ok. Nothing you said correlates to my statements being irrational. Am I willing to consider a better offer or a different product that comes along if it fits me better? Yes, absolutely. Lightning fits most of my needs, but falls short in the battery department for towing and camping. Yet I’m buying it because it more than handles my day to day truck needs. And yea, actually buying, have my VIN and production date next week.

Same can be said for the R1T with the large pack. it has some advantages over the Lightning and falls short in other ways.
I’ve driven both, have spent a lot of time with an R1T as a friend has had his for several months now. If I have to pick between the R1T and Lightning when both offer ~300 miles of range, I’ll go Lightning for the roomier interior, more usable frunk and bit larger, especially deeper bed. Not to mention the onboard power abilities. That doesn’t mean I won’t still covet things in the R1T like the gear tunnel. Lightning is slightly more practical for me but the two overlap in most ways it’s been a hair-pulling endeavor to decide which one I want. After spending time with both. This is not an irrational decision but one made after countless hours of consideration. And yet it’s still a difficult decision. So with that it stands. If Rivian builds me a 400+ mile truck, I’m buying it. Otherwise I’m not and will pass and see what the next generation brings. A logical what-if about a product they have announced. And so far they’ve delivered pretty well on everything else they’ve announced… camp kitchen aside.

A mirage? Really? This whole thing was a mirage to begin with. Many of us plunked down $1000 over 3 years ago on a mirage. We had faith and it turned into reality against great odds. I passed up the opportunity to order the LE so I could have the max pack. I’ve twice been offered the opportunity to buy from the R1 shop but no, I’m waiting for max pack. I was tempted to buy a couple times and I’ve looked at buying one but too many flippers at high prices and I’m not going to burn my early reservation and pricing in the R1 shop on something other than a max pack.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Still seeing a maxpack on my config, and everything else Rivian is doing seems to be tracking,
Even if I order today I can add the maxpack.
As I read the literature, there is the suggestion the max pack will enjoy a potential higher charging rate
Maybe something new exciting for those orders that come in the future... but not yet

Overall saying Rivian dopped the maxpack Seems like a misleading post title, as I can configure a new one today.

It's because of an Instagram post they did comparing the T and S's features and what differentiates the two.

Did anyone else notice Rivian official's latest Instagram account comparing the R1t vs R1S had no mention of the Max Pack for the R1T? I wonder if this is a sign of the Max Packs' impending doom

 

[Mattyboi]

Still seeing a maxpack on my config, and everything else Rivian is doing seems to be tracking,
Even if I order today I can add the maxpack.
As I read the literature, there is the suggestion the max pack will enjoy a potential higher charging rate
Maybe something new exciting for those orders that come in the future... but not yet

Overall saying Rivian dopped the maxpack Seems like a misleading post title, as I can configure a new one today.

My configuration still has it and I know it’s still on their website. The whole title says they dropped it from their latest post — not the website. I don’t think my post is misleading if you read the whole title and the my original post

 

[crashmtb]

Agreed…
For daily purposes large pack will be more then adequate for I would think 75-80% of people. Lots of people complain about having to stop to charge on the way somewhere when I talk to ppl about road trips but quickly change their mind when I ask if they ever stop for lunch on a road trip and explain the time they take to stop and eat would apply for charging so realistically what is the issue? And really change their tune when comparing costs of gas road trips to Ev road trips.

personally on road trips there are places I don’t stop if I can help it(all of Saskatchewan for example), and lots of places where there just isn’t charging on the way to where I need to go(pretty much anyplace off the trans-canada, here). Not to mention…winter. I’ve done enough winter trips with an EV to decide the larger battery is a requirement.

Bigger battery capacity makes more sense. If my gas car had an option for a larger gas tank, I’d take it.

another upside to the higher capacity battery is getting more range at battery health-friendly states of charge.

 

[DirtyJester]

personally on road trips there are places I don’t stop if I can help it(all of Saskatchewan for example), and lots of places where there just isn’t charging on the way to where I need to go(pretty much anyplace off the trans-canada, here). Not to mention…winter. I’ve done enough winter trips with an EV to decide the larger battery is a requirement.

Bigger battery capacity makes more sense. If my gas car had an option for a larger gas tank, I’d take it.

another upside to the higher capacity battery is getting more range at battery health-friendly states of charge.

Valid points….
Here in bc Atleast in lower mainland there is a pretty good infrastructure in place so far. I can drive to the interior and not have to worry about chargers or a lack of em. But I do get what you’re saying about being more convenient to be able to get further per charge as well as what percentage of the battery you run on. I just mean that for me Atleast it’s not the end of the world if I still have to stop in lillooet to charge to make it to my parents. As much as I would prefer to be able to make it a straight through trip.

 

[OGLindy]

The max pack will likely come with new battery/charging tech. I doubt we'll see it anytime soon. It would be smarter to fill all the current standard pack orders they can first.

having visited the plant for business reasons - they have new battery tech planned for 2024. I mentioned to two different senior managers “i assume the max pack is a dead option - when it takes 3 LRG packs to build 2 MAX packs - and the need to hit the volume numbers for Wall Street”

they(and others) all nodded and winked that it isn’t going to be said but is “right” *wink *wink

 

[JohnDoe54]

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[ironpig]

having visited the plant for business reasons - they have new battery tech planned for 2024. I mentioned to two different senior managers “i assume the max pack is a dead option - when it takes 3 LRG packs to build 2 MAX packs - and the need to hit the volume numbers for Wall Street”

they(and others) all nodded and winked that it isn’t going to be said but is “right” *wink *wink

yeah that’s what I assume will happen. They will steer those max pack people towards new “more efficient” battery tech and say the take rate on max pack is so low that it was not worth producing.

 

[Yossarian]

It's fair to say that Rivian has killed off the R1S Max, but it's not correct to say the same about the R1T Max.

Rivian's website initially indicated that the Max battery would be an option for both models, however, when the configurator went live, it was only available on the R1T. Rivian then quietly removed the Max language from the R1S side of the website. If you phoned CS and asked about an R1S Max, you were likely to be told that there is an R1S Longer Range under development, but because it will have less than 180 kWh capacity, it's not called the Max and instead referred to as the Longer Range. I have not been successful in getting any information about this R1S Longer Range however.

The R1T on the other hand, continues to be available with a Max pack. If you look at the web site, yiou'll note that the estimate for the R1T Max (and the Standard Pack) have a caveat stating that: "The ranges for other batteries are an average based on various drive modes. Their official EPA rating is pending. " If you call CS to ask about the status of the EPA testing for the Max, you get some version of "that's a great question, we hope to have more information on EPA testing iin the near future." That response is one I've gotten consistently for about a year now. My understanding is that EPA certification is a precursor event to production, so if it's not yet complete, the R1T Max has yet to start production.

While it may be that the EPA cert testing has been delayed for mundane reasons, it's just as likely there are more serious technical issues behind it. Rivian has not provided any real information about the Max for a very extended period, leading me to suspect the latter. We should not be surprised to learn that R1T Max deliveries will be pushed back, perhaps significantly. The Rivian website states that reservation holders will see more information about vehicle delivery on their accounts page by the end of this month. I think that may be a bit optimistic given that Rivian originally stated that this would happen in early 2022. A good guess is probably that things will slip to closer to the end of the year. We'll know in just over a week though.

I fully expect that when we do get updated delivery windows (my guess is in December), deliveries of the R1T Max with a manual tonneau cover will be pushed to at least 2024. As always, I'm happy to be proved wrong in my low expectations, but that hasn't really happened much over the 2-1/2 yrs since my deposit was placed. Rivian seems to be content with their "we're not happy until you're not happy" philosophy.

 

[IdahoNativeNate]

Agreed it's a sweet spot. However with my gx460 - getting 14.5mpg - I'd be lucky to reach 300/350. Personally I think range anxiety is a bit over rated when the infrastructure is there. Then again I have a hard time sitting in a car over 4 hours straight.

Reality is 315mi quoted is less than actual use (winter, aged batteries, 20in tires for trucks, no Tonneau, etc)

So in my mind, 400 * 75% = 300mi.
This is what I'm looking for Rivian to deliver!

 

[Joe schmoe]

It would be strange to pay an extra $10K and always carry an extra 500lbs to avoid a couple of charging stops per year.

Some max pack preorders who are buying their first EV will find that the large pack would have been completely adequate.

For a lot of people, yes. I daily drive a 2015 Model S.

But--I make a trip every month or two that is 484 miles door to door. For that reason I keep, maintain, and insure an ICE SUV. I drive it every week or two to keep the battery charged and the oil circulated.

$10K to eliminate that need and cull the fleet would seem a bargain.

 

[intimidator]

It’s about to get Camp Kitchened.

Since I have passed on the offer to purchase a 310 mile range version several times in the last 6 months because I am waiting on my Max Pack model, I would not be a happy camper if they wait to tell us they are deep sixing the Max Pack. Tell me now if that is what is going to happen!!! I can jump in and get the 310range R1T now.

 

[intimidator]

Reality is 315mi quoted is less than actual use (winter, aged batteries, 20in tires for trucks, no Tonneau, etc)

So in my mind, 400 * 75% = 300mi.
This is what I'm looking for Rivian to deliver!

You and me both. Been waiting since March 2019. I sure would like to get it by March 2023. That would be 4 years.

 

[crashmtb]

yeah that’s what I assume will happen. They will steer those max pack people towards new “more efficient” battery tech and say the take rate on max pack is so low that it was not worth producing.

If that is actually highly likely - that 20% of preorders being max pack is a low enough take rate for them to nix the larger battery… why on earth are they still advertising it?

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