Rivian now charging $.68 per kwh

[NC-Rivian]

As Tesla Supercharger rates are now much more competitively priced compared to RAN stations, I was looking at the Tesla monthly membership for an upcoming road trip in 3 weeks. I also have a shorter trip this Saturday where I can use a Supercharger to get back home. If I join the membership now, will that cover both trips? The Tesla website says that membership “renews at the beginning of the month”. I don’t want to have to pay 2 monthly fees.

At $12.99 for the month, payoff is about 100 kW or so. That’s about 1.5 good road trip charges.

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[Matt D.]

At $12.99 for the month, payoff is about 100 kW or so. That’s about 1.5 good road trip charges.

Will easily hit that mark. Driving from central Pennsylvania to Fort Lauderdale and back ?.

 

[Zorg]

Your point still makes absolutely no sense at all. You cannot simply ignore efficiencies, that isn't how the world works. The chemical potential energy in gas does not move a car, it simply sits there in a fuel tank. Gasoline has to be burned and converted to thermal energy, then converted again to mechanical energy, and then it eventually moves a car. Approximately 80% of that 33.7kWhr of energy stored in gas is lost in all those various energy conversions. Where as, in an EV only about 10% of the stored energy is lost in the process of converting to mechanical energy to turn the wheels.

You just said my math is right, but my math very clearly shows that home electricity is significantly cheaper than a gallon of gas.

Sounds like you need more coffee to improve reading comprehension. Your math is entirely correct and I agree with it. I also never argued otherwise.

 

[NC-Rivian]

Will easily hit that mark. Driving from central Pennsylvania to Fort Lauderdale and back ?.

One of the nice things about the Tesla website is that you can easily start and stop those subscriptions and memberships. When you know you’re going to travel, pay the $12.99 for a month and when you know you’re not gonna travel for a while and therefore will not need a supercharger, cancel the membership until the next road trip.

 

[Matt D.]

One of the nice things about the Tesla website is that you can easily start and stop those subscriptions and memberships. When you know you’re going to travel, pay the $12.99 for a month and when you know you’re not gonna travel for a while and therefore will not need a supercharger, cancel the membership until the next road trip.

Thanks, that’s the plan. Just wanted to make sure I’d get both trips in the same month.

 

[NC-Rivian]

Thanks, that’s the plan. Just wanted to make sure I’d get both trips in the same month.

One last thing to warn you about if you go ahead and activate the Tesla membership: You only get the membership price if you start the charge from within the Tesla app. You CAN pull up, and plug in, and your Rivian will begin to charge on a plug-in play basis. BUT if you start your charge like that, you will pay the full price and not the membership price. Therefore, ALWAYS begin your supercharger charges from within the Tesla app. Finally, if you do a little research, you will find that some Tesla superchargers have a cheaper rate than others, and therefore, sometimes you can save a considerable amount of money by choosing the cheaper rate chargers.

 

[emoore]

The arguments here on both sides are hilarious. Some definitely need a physics 101 refresher.

Why are people surprised that gasoline may be cheaper than L3 charging? You have to look at where both energy supplies are sourced from as well. How many of the DC chargers are using renewables to generate their energy and how many are using gas or coal fired power plants to supply that energy. Similarly, I could heat my house by burning coal the way some people across the country still do, much cheaper than gas, and far cheaper than renewably sourced energy options. There is always a premium to pay for sustainable measures, or at least until the supply/demand curves change, but I doubt those either operating DC charging stations, or using them really care about where the energy comes from. They only care about the price regardless of whether they drive an EV or not.

Solar and Wind are much cheaper now than coal.

 

[SANZC02]

That isn't remotely accurate. It also makes no sense. If typical home electricity rates were equivalent to $5/gas, not one single person would ever have saved money charging EVs at home.

If your EV gets 3 mi/kWhr and electricity is $0.15/kWhr, then it is costing you $0.05/mi to drive. Super easy math (0.15/3).
If your ICE gets 20 mi/gal and gas is $1/gal, then it is costing you $0.05/mi to drive. Still super easy math (1/20).

So that means $0.15/kWhr home charging is equal to $1/gal in gas (for an EV at 3mi/kWhr and ICE at 20mpg).

$5/gal is equivalent to $0.75/kWhr for same efficiencies above.

It really depends on where you live. I have a place in the California desert that has a non-profit electric company, they do not have TOU pricing, the rate just went up to 19.6 cents a kWh. My main place right now super off peak is 36 cents a kWh.

If not for solar at my main residence it would be very expensive driving the R1S.

That being said, I did not buy our EVs thinking I was saving any money. I just prefer how they drive. With the premiums we paid for the vehicles even with the tax breaks there is not a path where the EV would be cheaper over comparable sized ICE vehicles year over year.

 

[NeedSumCoffee]

It really depends on where you live. I have a place in the California desert that has a non-profit electric company, they do not have TOU pricing, the rate just went up to 19.6 cents a kWh. My main place right now super off peak is 36 cents a kWh.

If not for solar at my main residence it would be very expensive driving the R1S.

That being said, I did not buy our EVs thinking I was saving any money. I just prefer how they drive. With the premiums we paid for the vehicles even with the tax breaks there is not a path where the EV would be cheaper over comparable sized ICE vehicles year over year.

Of course the savings is very dependant on where you live and how you drive. But generally discussions on a national forum, use national averages rather than extreme highs or lows. My local utility only charges $0.02/kWhr at night. I personally pay about $10/month to charge both my R1S and Model X (including taxes). But still, I always use national averages when doing comparisons because my situation clearly isnt typical.

 

[jffkm]

That's $22 per gallon of gas equivalent now. No way this makes sense any more. Good luck EVs.

Can confirm this on the way to Truckee this past weekend. I was shocked at how much it cost to get the vehicle charged and saw the same rates ($0.68 per kWh). thankfully, we almost always charge at home but this makes road tripping pretty expensive. pge has also jacked up their rates so it's a squeeze unless you have solar to offset a major chunk.

 

[SANZC02]

Of course the savings is very dependant on where you live and how you drive. But generally discussions on a national forum, use national averages rather than extreme highs or lows. My local utility only charges $0.02/kWhr at night. I personally pay about $10/month to charge both my R1S and Model X (including taxes). But still, I always use national averages when doing comparisons because my situation clearly isnt typical.

2 cents is crazy, what state is that in?

We have a lot of sun and a lot of EVs out here so with our TOU the cheapest rate is 8am to 4pm. Our 9pm-8am rates are 3 cents higher. Our delta between super off-peak and off-peak is higher than your rate. ?

One positive about my high rates, it made it a no brainer to get solar and a battery backup with an ROI under 51 months. ?

 

[sfvR1S]

The ever present misconception that an electric car is so efficient because gas contains 33.7kwh per gallon. The difference between pure fact and the reality of how energy extraction actually works.

20mpg at $4/gal = $0.20/mile
2mi/kwh at $0.68/kw = $0.34/mile

Do the math and that equates to $6.80/gallon, not $22.

In L.A. I think it's around $5.15/gallon for 91 octane.

 

[Johnus]

I'm on a road trip right now through California / Nevada and I'm seeing the same 68¢/kWh pricing at RAN sites. I switched to Tesla Superchargers. With the membership so far they've been 20-40¢/kWh cheaper than RAN.

 

[SANZC02]

I'm on a road trip right now through California / Nevada and I'm seeing the same 68¢/kWh pricing at RAN sites. I switched to Tesla Superchargers. With the membership so far they've been 20-40¢/kWh cheaper than RAN.

People should check the Rivian App, I only see a couple at 68 cents, see some at 63 and some in the 40s.

It really varies by location.

 

[GANTZ]

Interesting very interesting. But I drive it like I own it and I’m still happy paying $28 to $30 for full charge at (Rivian or Tesla) from 10% to 100% charge. Beats $100 for gas on my no longer owned Tacoma. I can’t work out all the math some of you do I just finding it exhausting. All I know is that I’ve never paid more than $26.54 at a Tesla station.

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