I agree with you. If you can get a vehicle that fits your needs and is extremely safe I wouldn’t pick one that fits my needs and is extremely unsafe. I want that extra reassurance if I was to get in an accident I have a lower likelihood of serious injury.
Don’t crash, problem solved. IIHS testing is great but far from the only consideration. I ride motorcycles and I can guarantee a Wrangler offers far more protection.
Sure and I can free solo if I want when I go climbing tomorrow. Just don’t fall and it will be fine. Or I can wear the safety gear and be protected even if I do. If we could control not having an accident safety gear wouldn’t exist.
Yeah, or you could not climb at all and be even safer. It’s all about a compromise between enjoyment, comfort, usability, safety, etc. I’m sure you’re not climbing every time with a full face helmet, jacket and pants with abrasion resistance and joint protection, full boots, etc because that would suck and remove a lot of the enjoyment of climbing.
Right, but the Rivian is the equivalent of my harness and helmet. In your analogy, I would drive in a tank at 25MPH top speed to worry about crashing. Of course, it's a compromise, but there isn't much the Jeep can do that the Rivian cannot do, so there isn't that much of a compromise for a big increase in safety. Maybe there is an area with this Jeep the OP cannot compromise on like being able to fill it with gas because the range isn't there on an EV.
I understand supply and demand. But with EVs that is not the only thing driving lower resale values. Yes, lots of teslas dumped on the market. Yes, Tesla dropped new car pricing killing the their used car market. But EVs lose value more than an ICE with the same supply and demand because of the perception that battery and other tech will age and evolve faster than ICE. It’s just another factor. No one will want to pay $50k for a used R1S in 3 years that has an original range of 310 miles. Same with other EVs.Again, it's about pricing and supply and demand. EVs are overpriced by $10-15K in general and EV carmakers have cranked out too many for the real world demand.
New Tundras are depreciating badly but new Sequoias (I had a 23 TRD Pro - it was $84K but really felt like a $60K vehicle.) are not. Why? Simple... supply. Toyota only builds 22K per year and keeps supply restricted. Tundras are FLOODING dealer lots. They have dozens of them. Toyota builds 125K-150K per year. In reality they should cut production to 80K or less. Sequioas are stupidly overpriced but supply is restricted so there is no need for large discounts to sell them and depreciation is kept in check.
My local Toyota dealer has too many trucks.
With an ICE vehicle, there's no major upgrade around the corner that would devalue an older model. A 2022 F150 ecoboost isn't going to be much different than a 2025 F150 with an ecoboost.
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Adios!Just wanted to mention I traded in my R1T for a Wrangler 4xe Rubicon yesterday.
The Jeep 4xe has about a 30 mile all battery (17kWh pack) range and a 340mi ICE range. It's got 375 horsepower and 470 pound-feet of torque with actual real lockers front and rear. That 30 mil battery range should suite me fine for probably 95% off my driving (I work from home). The dealer gave me $60K on the Rivian trade-in which in NY goes 100% to the pre-tax value of the new vehicle, so I actually will end up about $1,900 ahead once I file my taxes and get the $3,750 Fed tax credit early next year.
Jeep is trying to clear out 2024 models right now, so they have crazy incentives. The Rubicon was $71K, but with incentives it knocked $10K off so it was $61K before the $3,750 fed tax credit.
When trading it in, I forgot to give them the camp speaker as I replaced it with a draw a couple months back, I also forgot to give them the bag for the tonneau cover panels, I kept the NACS-J1772 adapter I just received two weeks ago, and I also kept the wristband because that did not come with my R1T. I guess I'll sell the NACS adapter as the Jeep only has level 2 charging.
I was a pre March price increase customer, after the fed tax credit I took in 2023, my R1T cost $68K, I had it for almost two full years and got $60K for it on the trade in, I consider that pretty decent.
Old ride meet new ride....
Record revenue and profits will carry them through a bad year. To compare Stellantis to Rivian is beyond silly. Let's talk again in 10 years if Rivian becomes profitable by then. In the meantime, my Rivian shares are still in the gutter times 10, yet I'm about even with my Stellantis stock.
Thanks, I've researched FORM and it's pretty much the same thing my 2014 Volt had and our 2017 i3 REX has. They all force you to use/lubricate the engine occasionally and they also try to keep gasoline sitting in the tank unused from going bad over time. Oil dilution is also an issue due to the engine and oil not reaching temps for long enough periods to burn off any gas that got past the piston rings. Just like in the Volt and i3 REX, you have to be smart about it.. if you have 28 mi electric range and have to make a 29 mi trip, don't just run on full electric till the battery is depleted then have the ICE turn itself on for the last 1 mile, that's a sure recipe for oil dilution. The trick is to switch to E-Save mode on the Jeep (which makes the ICE run) somewhere in the middle of the trip, let it get up to temp by driving on the ICE for a few miles, then switch back to all EV mode once you are close enough to your destination that you can cover it it all in full EV mode. Easy peasy rookie stuff
I'm not comparing Stellantis to Rivian. Saying Stallantis is struggling doesn't imply they are in the same situation as Rivian. Rivian has a better trajectory, but they are on the razor's edge of making it. Stellantis is a stronger company and still makes money, but if it keeps heading in the direction it's currently moving, it will be in trouble in a few years. Who knows what their EVs will do.
