Tesla Chargers: Will this reach?

[Inhisname]

The reason teslas don't park side by side in stalls is that two adjacent stalls are served by 2 chargers that share power (1A and 1B, 2A and 2B etc). The Tesla vehicle UI tells you that it is faster to charge if you are not parked to someone who is using 1A if you wanted 1B. It just slows down charging.

So excuse my ignorance, as a former Tesla owner, I would always adhere to the courtesy of not using 1B if someone was in 1A per what you are saying above, which is what I understood. My ignorant question is was that only for V2 chargers, or V3 and V4 chargers as well? The second question is; how do you know if it's a V2, V3 or V4 charger? I didn't know there were different types. Thank you for taking the time to educate me.

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[RedCanyon]

We will need the NACS adapter with an extension cord!

 

[grayr1]

Yeah whatever. Tesla drivers are just going to have to get used to dealing with the same issues we CCS users have had to deal with forever - different cars have different charge port locations and they all have to connect to the pedestals from different stalls, some by backing-in and some by pulling-in. At least EA etc. TRIED to design their stations to accommodate different geometries - Tesla didn't.

Tesla superchargers are not going to get 100% utilization unless all the vehicles are the same design. That's not going to be the case when Tesla opens up their chargers to all vehicles. Welcome to the club.

CCS users manage to shuffle and share at EA stations without fights breaking out all the time, so unless Tesla owners are entitled jerks there shouldn't be a problem doing the same thing at superchargers. When Tesla opens up the superchargers to Rivians, then Rivians have just as much right to use the supercharger as a Tesla.

I guess no one has a boat that plugs in a marina. The simple answer to the problem of a charger hookup being too short is to get an extension cord. We use these all the time and they are rated for 240volts at 50 amps. I’m sure an extension cord could be made available at a reasonable cost to allow the connection from the Tesla charger to Rivian.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I’m sure an extension cord could be made available at a reasonable cost to allow the connection from the Tesla charger to Rivian.

For a supercharger, you're probably talking about 500 MCM+ or equivalent for both negative and positive wires. It's not exactly going to be reasonable in cost or size.

 

[rhumbliner]

And I predict MANY confused EV drivers trying to use their adapters at V1, V2, Urban and Destination chargers ... none of these will work with the CCS to NACS adapters.

I don’t think all Destination chargers fit into that category. I’ve been using a Tesla->J1772 adapter to charge my R1T at HPWC’s ever since I took delivery.

 

[rhumbliner]

We will need the NACS adapter with an extension cord!

Like this: SuperCharger Extension Cord

 

[emoore]

I guess no one has a boat that plugs in a marina. The simple answer to the problem of a charger hookup being too short is to get an extension cord. We use these all the time and they are rated for 240volts at 50 amps. I’m sure an extension cord could be made available at a reasonable cost to allow the connection from the Tesla charger to Rivian.

It's a big difference between 50 amps and 350 amps. Those cables are liquid cooled. And extension cord isn't going to work.

 

[emoore]

Like this: SuperCharger Extension Cord

I"d be really nervous using that for sure.

 

[Spyderman09]

At least EA etc. TRIED to design their stations to accommodate different geometries - Tesla didn't.

I was with you until this statement. What incentive did Tesla have to design their proprietary superchargers in any way to accommodate anything except their own design (which was a single location on every vehicle)?

I agree that, upon opening the supercharger network, it’s a “deal with it” scenario and most will deal with it, but it seems a bit odd to blame a company building a supercharger network for its own vehicles for not considering every other geometry out there.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

I don’t think all Destination chargers fit into that category. I’ve been using a Tesla->J1772 adapter to charge my R1T at HPWC’s ever since I took delivery.

It is believed that NACS to CCS adapters will not support AC charging, DC only

 

[CharonPDX]

Yeah the only time i could see needing it is longer road trips…. Going to and from Oregon they are EVERYWHERE… They also seem to be the lowest cost. I find it averaging about .27 a kilowatt..

Electrify America is over .50 in socal..

Going to and from Oregon, you can use Rivian Adventure Network For most of it.

 

[BigSkies]

The early NACS rollout is going to be a disaster and confusion for a while. This is going to make the public perception of EV charging worse than it already is when the news stories come out about some chargers not being compatible, fistfights over charging stalls, and general confusion over what works and what doesn't.

Improving the public perception of EV charging means simplifying, preventing confusion, and reducing barriers for chargers to work on the first attempt.

The NACS availability will make all of this worse for the near future. It's the right call for the long term, but the long term takes a while to get here.

I really wish the NACS changeover would require manufacturers to standardize charging port locations. It would make charger design cheaper and simpler on a go-forward basis. It wouldn't help current owners, but it would move us towards better designs in the future.

I personally plan to avoid Tesla chargers at the outset unless I have a specific reason for going there.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I was with you until this statement. What incentive did Tesla have to design their proprietary superchargers in any way to accommodate anything except their own design (which was a single location on every vehicle)?

I agree that, upon opening the supercharger network, it’s a “deal with it” scenario and most will deal with it, but it seems a bit odd to blame a company building a supercharger network for its own vehicles for not considering every other geometry out there.

Tesla has been trying to get other manufacturers to take the bait for a long time. Since before EA existed, even.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/elo...akers-about-sharing-the-supercharger-network/

 

[Spyderman09]

Tesla has been trying to get other manufacturers to take the bait for a long time. Since before EA existed, even.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/elo...akers-about-sharing-the-supercharger-network/

That doesn’t prove a counterpoint. I agree with your statement and the article supporting the idea that Tesla was trying to force other manufacturers to follow suit (namely, design their charge ports/geometry to match Tesla’s). My point still stands though - Tesla intentionally didn’t consider all charging geometries because they didn’t have any incentive to do so, and they built their superchargers in that vein.

I think we’re essentially saying the same thing - that Tesla wanted everyone to adapt to their way - but my additional point was that Tesla had first-mover advantage in choosing not to adapt but instead try to force others to.

 

[rhumbliner]

I"d be really nervous using that for sure.

I don’t know. They claim to be able to moderate the current flow with their temperature sensors so it appears they recognize the problem. Remains to be seen if their implementation works as advertised.

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