The New Reality - Dual Motor Compared to Lightning

[pcrampton]

If they told me I could keep my battery, delivery date and price, but will be getting a dual motor instead, I would have been totally ok with that to be honest. The quad motor setup does nothing for me as I am not going anywhere but regular streets. But I understand that is not the case for a lot of other people.

That's exactly what I think: I'm ok with dual motors. But not with the extra delay.

If I can get my R1S with dual motors and no delay beyond my current 2H 2023... That would be great!

If not, I'll stick with the quad motors and keep my current R1S 'estimated' delivery.

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[kurtlikevonnegut]

That's exactly what I think: I'm ok with dual motors. But not with the extra delay.

If I can get my R1S with dual motors and no delay beyond my current 2H 2023... That would be great!

If not, I'll stick with the quad motors and keep my current R1S 'estimated' delivery.

Yeah with expecting a to get something late this year/early next year and then going to 2024 at the earliest made it really difficult to stomach. That said, I saw someone else mentioned already placing an order for the dual/standard to get to the front of the 2024 line (in addition to their current order) and I likely will do that pending what I see next week regarding the Buzz. I do wonder if Rivian will allow you to transfer a R1 reservation to a R2 when those go live. I assume the first model year for R2 would be 2025.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

Those comparisons are going to be meaningless IMO. The 2025 F150 will be in an entirely different platform designated TE1. It will be a dedicated EV platform instead of one adapted from an ICE platform. I expect performance and even pricing will be significantly different.

 

[Tomgriff]

If I was going dual motor I would go with the Ford for the longer bed. The quad motor will be much superior in more technical off road scenarios whereas both Ford and dual motor Rivian will be more comparable to AWD than 4WD. Maybe I'm missing something, but not sure how a dual motor set up (for any manufacturer) can simulate locking differentials unless they change the way EVs are being built. The Ford is a better work truck and the Rivian is a better play truck. If neither really matter, go with which one you like better. I suspect owner's of both trucks are going generally going to be very happy with their purchase. The real question and unknown is when will the Cybertruck come out, what the pricing will be and can Tesla deliver on promises, and if you don't have a reservation already when could you get one (2026?). I think the CT will likely be the best "electric" truck in terms of efficiency and charging.

 

[jtshaw]

I'm of the opinion that the dual motor is overall a business mistake. Rivian is known right now (or, well, soon) for its quad motor, and they're the only company doing that (not counting whatstheirfaces with the aborted hub motors). It's their specialty, and the engineering that has and will go into making that special is all theirs, at least for now. I think they'll make plenty of money, and more importantly, not dilute the brand name, by sticking to making quad motors that deliver plenty of performance and at premium prices, along with premium margins.

They aren’t valued based on being a premium automaker only. They have to make a mass market transition, and probably a lot faster than Tesla did with the Model 3/Y, to justify the valuation.

Plenty of high end automakers operate across a huge price spectrum without ruining their image.

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