Video: R2 owner demonstrating charging session at Tesla Supercharger

[cwq93r]

Tom said his charging video will be out in a few days, but at the beginning of this video he how’s the charging graph. If you watch it in 0.25x you can see it all.

10% to 60% in 15 minutes, to 70% in 20 minutes. Peaks at 225kW. Charge curve looks great, top tier for a 400v vehicle. Way better than Tesla.

He also mentioned that can only happen at a station that could deliver a 600 amps, which I believe most Tesla superchargers cannot do

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[Jeremy3292]

He also mentioned that can only happen at a station that could deliver a 600 amps, which I believe most Tesla superchargers cannot do

Yes, but you can use IONNA, Walmart, and Rivian. You’ll shave the peak to 200 kW at Tesla stations. Still very good, won’t lose much.

 

[savethemanual]

Yes, but you can use IONNA, Walmart, and Rivian. You’ll shave the peak to 200 kW at Tesla stations. Still very good, won’t lose much.

We’ll look back at these numbers some day and laugh. Way faster DCFC is here now, it will eventually trickle down to vehicles like this along with chargers to support it here in the States. Can’t wait!

 

[cwq93r]

Yes, but you can use IONNA, Walmart, and Rivian. You’ll shave the peak to 200 kW at Tesla stations. Still very good, won’t lose much.

With an adapter (at least at that Walmart station), which I thought NACS was supposed to get rid of

 

[Dave Cundiff]

With an adapter (at least at that Walmart station), which I thought NACS was supposed to get rid of

The J-3400 "NACS" will eventually dominate the charging-station scene, but things take time.

Whatever I'm driving, I expect to benefit from AC and DC adapters for at least the next six years.

Best wishes!

 

[Jeremy3292]

With an adapter (at least at that Walmart station), which I thought NACS was supposed to get rid of

Just the ABB Walmart stations bc for some reason they didn’t liquid cool the NACS cables, just the CCS cables. I can’t believe Walmart signed a deal with ABB with that trash. The Alpitronics, which are all they are installing around me, do 600 amps just like the IONNA ones do. Seems Walmart is installing 50/50 ABB and Alpitronic across the country based on the Walmart charging update videos I’ve seen.

Insanity they bought all these new ABB stations that only do 375 amps bc of the cables. Not even 500 amps! ABB has always been trash though IMO

 

[Zathras]

No doubt things will improve. I'll be getting mine in the January-February timeframe.

 

[Zathras]

The J-3400 "NACS" will eventually dominate the charging-station scene, but things take time.

Whatever I'm driving, I expect to benefit from AC and DC adapters for at least the next six years.

Best wishes!

Currently it looks like they are installing chargers with both.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Currently it looks like they are installing chargers with both.

Most new RANs are NACS only. With availability of adapters, no reason for any network to hold on to CCS1 since pretty much all automakers in the US have pledged to adopt J3400.

 

[Zathras]

Most new RANs are NACS only. With availability of adapters, no reason for any network to hold on to CCS1 since pretty much all automakers in the US have pledged to adopt J3400.

I thought we were talking about Wal Mart. I just saw a video update for July where they showed both.

 

[Dave Cundiff]

Most new RANs are NACS only. With availability of adapters, no reason for any network to hold on to CCS1 since pretty much all automakers in the US have pledged to adopt J3400.

Lots of legacy CCS-1 vehicles out there, @UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan, including all 2022-2025 Rivians. That's a market worth serving too.

In the Portland area, the new RAN near Tualatin/Tigard is said to be all J-3400. Last time I was there, the Happy Valley RAN had some of each type. It makes sense for RAN to convert gradually.

I expect Rivian will try to balance "responding to demand" with "preparing for the future" with "selling new cars which now all have NACS ports." I expect that whichever port type my wife and I have, we'll carry adapters for both AC and DC chargers for another several years.

That being said, things don't always turn out the way I expect....

Best wishes!

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Lots of legacy CCS-1 vehicles out there, @UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan, including all 2022-2025 Rivians. That's a market worth serving too.

In the Portland area, the new RAN near Tualatin/Tigard is said to be all J-3400. Last time I was there, the Happy Valley RAN had some of each type. It makes sense for RAN to convert gradually.

I expect Rivian will try to balance "responding to demand" with "preparing for the future" with "selling new cars which now all have NACS ports." I expect that whichever port type my wife and I have, we'll carry adapters for both AC and DC chargers for another several years.

That being said, things don't always turn out the way I expect....

Best wishes!

Despite that entire industry is pivoting to J3400. If you were in business of making DCFC equipment, knowing adapters exist, you would move forward splitting your production resources to both? or would you order 100% J3400 parts supply and enjoy production efficiency of just that standard? Smaller supplier orders of each = higher per unit cost. New EVs are being produced and delivered with J3400. Eventually CCS1 will be minority of entire markets. RAN shows the way.

 

[zefram47]

Parts of the U.S. perhaps. West coast and California are fully ready for 800V right now. Even the v4 Superchargers have upgraded to provided 325kw of charging (not talking about the 500kw ones that are still few)

For Cybertruck only Tesla is allowing them to pull 700A at roughly 450V for 325kW (very briefly) before ramping down. All non-Tesla vehicles are currently capped at 500A, hence the "poor" R2 performance due to lower pack voltage than R1. R1 vehicles top out at 225ish kW which is about 450V at 500A and can get those speeds at any 400V or 800/1000V class chargers capable of providing 500A. There are many 200 kW or 350 kW chargers that will only provide their headline power figures at 800V because they're limited to something below 500A, which is why even R1 tops out at something like 160 kW on a 200 kW-rated Chargepoint unit.

TL;DR:
R2 has already been shown to pull upwards of 600A on capable chargers to achieve around 220 kW at 500A with a pack voltage around 370V vs R1 (225 kW at 450V and 500A). Tesla SC's currently provide a max of 500A to non-Teslas and up to 725A to some Tesla vehicles.

 

[Jeremy3292]

As fate would have it, Kyle just posted a video about ABB stations. Looks like they’re deploying the liquid cooled NACS cables in Q4. So Walmarts with ABB stations should see 600 amps on NACS soon, at least new deployments. Hopefully they retrofit the cables on ones already in service. I think they also swapped the sides the NACS and CCS are on for obvious charge port location reasons.

Very cool watch if you’re into that stuff. ABB looks to have gotten better, so I renege my earlier comments on them as long as we see these new hardware deployments soon

 

[azbill]

- 32 BP Pulse (no idea)

BP Pulse uses the HYC400 chargers, just like Ionna and Mercedes. They also support NACS and CCS1.

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