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Sorry, I wasn't clear. Obviously cabin temperature doesn't have anything to do with the battery health. What I'm saying is that the act of conditioning the cabin affects the battery temperature. So there could be logic in the BMS that says, if temps in cabin/battery drops below a certain level, run the heat to warm up.

The broader point I'm making is that I don't think what we're talking about is truly "vampire" drain in that it is just completely wasted energy (like a leak in a gas tank). A very small amount might be, but I think the majority is going to a purpose, whether it be communications, battery management, whatever. People may disagree with that purpose, whatever it is, but I don't think drain at the level of 5kwh per 24 hours is just evaporating into thin air.
The definition of vampire drain is energy usage while not in use. The general purpose of a vehicle is to be driven, thus energy used outside of that purpose is vampire drain.

The truck shouldn't be doing anything while not in use and while not told it will be in use soon, that causes fans or pumps to need to run while sitting in weather between 40F and 70F. But it is.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. Obviously cabin temperature doesn't have anything to do with the battery health. What I'm saying is that the act of conditioning the cabin affects the battery temperature. So there could be logic in the BMS that says, if temps in cabin/battery drops below a certain level, run the heat to warm up.

The broader point I'm making is that I don't think what we're talking about is truly "vampire" drain in that it is just completely wasted energy (like a leak in a gas tank). A very small amount might be, but I think the majority is going to a purpose, whether it be communications, battery management, whatever. People may disagree with that purpose, whatever it is, but I don't think drain at the level of 5kwh per 24 hours is just evaporating into thin air.
Oh, that energy is absolutely being consumed by the vehicle. But when we talk about "vampire drain", what we're referring to is unnecessary/undesired usage. We're basically stating that Rivian still has some fine tuning to do to minimize power usage when the vehicle is parked and not in use. Some things, such as Gear Guard, are expected to increase the draw on the battery if we choose to use them. That is understood. But we also need a way to force power draw to an absolute minimum for things like extended airport parking and overlanding. Pre-warming/cooling the cabin is another one of those things where, should we choose to enable, we would expect added draw on the battery. The problem we are seeing however is that we do not seem to have adequate control of what is drawing power and when. This may simply be incomplete (minimum viable product) or buggy Rivian software or it may be that Rivian's implementation simply does meet customer expectations. Either way, there is room for improvement in Rivian's power management.
 

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If GearGuard is truly "off" and it's just telematics causing the large drain... give us a way to turn them off. It's one thing to data-mine every bit/byte of data from your customer's vehicle for company use.. but to cost us $$$ to send you that data is just out of line. If it's also due to battery conditioning, there certainly are plenty of times conditioning is not needed. Turn that off too.

For a supposedly "green" vehicle, the Rivian is extremely wasteful...
 

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Was the truck also unlocked?
She was locked the entire time. Plus, the latest update was applied over wifi while I was gone, so perhaps that played a role in the extreme battery drain.
 

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Oh, that energy is absolutely being consumed by the vehicle. But when we talk about "vampire drain", what we're referring to is unnecessary/undesired usage. We're basically stating that Rivian still has some fine tuning to do to minimize power usage when the vehicle is parked and not in use. Some things, such as Gear Guard, are expected to increase the draw on the battery if we choose to use them. That is understood. But we also need a way to force power draw to an absolute minimum for things like extended airport parking and overlanding. Pre-warming/cooling the cabin is another one of those things where, should we choose to enable, we would expect added draw on the battery. The problem we are seeing however is that we do not seem to have adequate control of what is drawing power and when. This may simply be incomplete (minimum viable product) or buggy Rivian software or it may be that Rivian's implementation simply does meet customer expectations. Either way, there is room for improvement in Rivian's power management.
I think the crux of the matter is a philosophical one regarding the battery and its health. Rivian (or other EV makers) are not going to hand over complete control to the owner for how the battery health is managed (because we don't have the knowledge or ability to properly do so). That's the new world we live in, vehicles aren't completely under our control anymore.

Rivian has a vested interest in maximizing battery health for two reasons - a) what they deem to be a better customer experience and b) longer term, they have a second life to be used in power storage applications.
 

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Can't wait till they find the developer that is mining bitcoin on all these idle R1Ts. /S
 

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I think the crux of the matter is a philosophical one regarding the battery and its health. Rivian (or other EV makers) are not going to hand over complete control to the owner for how the battery health is managed (because we don't have the knowledge or ability to properly do so). That's the new world we live in, vehicles aren't completely under our control anymore.

Rivian has a vested interest in maximizing battery health for two reasons - a) what they deem to be a better customer experience and b) longer term, they have a second life to be used in power storage applications.
Rivian also has a vested interest in conservation. I don't disagree with your statement about the consumer not managing battery health but the "vampire drain" issues being reported are in no way related to maintaining battery health. You're entitled to have a different opinion, even if it's wrong. ;)
 

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Rivian has a vested interest in maximizing battery health for two reasons - a) what they deem to be a better customer experience and b) longer term, they have a second life to be used in power storage applications.
This argument would be valid if the truck didn't actually completely kill the battery if left unattended for weeks.
 

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She was locked the entire time. Plus, the latest update was applied over wifi while I was gone, so perhaps that played a role in the extreme battery drain.
Certainly the update process would have contributed to some of that consumption. Also possible the update left the climate settings in an undesirable state that caused the truck to continue to maintain cabin temp. Hard to say exactly what might have happened but the update certainly introduces some new possibilities.
 

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Just returned after 14 days of her sitting quietly in the garage. Not plugged in, GearGuard off, and left with about 70% SOC. Today she has 37 miles of range remaining, and here's the kicker I haven't read from anyone else yet, the cabin temp is 79 degrees. Outside it was in the mid-20's overnight and the garage stays around 60. Concerning to say the least...
Your loss is about in-line with mine. 14 days sounds like a little over 4%per day for 70% to 37 miles of range (depends on your conversion math). I have a fairly consistent 4% drain per day for my 1 month of ownership and have yet to enable gear guard. Outside temperature may have a big impact on this number as I have had a few days in the 6% loss range when near freezing temps, but mostly it's in the 50's and 60's here. I have never had my cabin maintain any temperature unless I unlock the truck. May want to get that part checked out if it continues.
 

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Just returned after 14 days of her sitting quietly in the garage. Not plugged in, GearGuard off, and left with about 70% SOC. Today she has 37 miles of range remaining, and here's the kicker I haven't read from anyone else yet, the cabin temp is 79 degrees. Outside it was in the mid-20's overnight and the garage stays around 60. Concerning to say the least...
Here's another instance - this was posted on FaceBook today. Seems to me they need, if they are not doing it already, a "super deep sleep" mode. For example, if sleeping for more than X hours, and battery level below a critical X%, shut down EVERYTHING.

"After leaving my vehicle in a parking garage at SFO for 14 days with 202 miles of range I returned with only 5 miles and almost needed a toe to a charge station. Rivian support is investigating, I think…"
 

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My wife has the new Volvo C40 Recharge. We left it parked at a hotel with 100% SOC for 7 days, locked and unplugged. When we returned it was still at 100%. Seems like it shouldn't be too hard for Rivian to come up with a software solution.
 

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Maybe Ford adding a power button to the Mach E and Lightning wasn't such a bad idea after all. Mach E has very minimal vampire drain from what I've seen, I expect the Lightning to be the same.
 

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My truck is off at service right now. I was also having an issue with the truck not letting me remote condition occasionally because it thought there was someone in the vehicle. It would make sense that if that's still happening, that the truck wouldn't actually go to sleep based on what's written in the R1T manual.

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Maybe Ford adding a power button to the Mach E and Lightning wasn't such a bad idea after all. Mach E has very minimal vampire drain from what I've seen, I expect the Lightning to be the same.
My polestar 2 doesn't have a button and doesn't have an issue with vampire drain at all. Sat 2 weeks with some below freezing overnight temps and didn't lose an appreciably amount of energy. They've had two years to work on the software at this point though. Rivian will figure out, I just hope it's soon.
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