Any tests done on Vampire battery drain?

[guernsej]

Any DVR/NVR surveillance system I've ever built/worked on actually streams all feeds from all cams 24/7/365 to the recorder but only saves "motion events" if triggered by motion as analyzed from it's image sensor chip...

when they're disabled, do they stay on anyways?

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[Max]

when they're disabled, do they stay on anyways?

Although that sounds seriously wrong, it may be the case for R1 since one of the owners recorded energy consumption by camera’s when gear guard was off.

 

[guernsej]

Although that sounds seriously wrong, it may be the case for R1 since one of the owners recorded energy consumption by camera’s when gear guard was off.

Yeah I recall the same post, which is why I'm curious if that's standard practice for the systems @NY_Rob works with

 

[Max]

Yeah I recall the same post, which is why I'm curious if that's standard practice for the systems @NY_Rob works with

I am curious about Rob’s response too. I am guessing if manufacturer says in case of airbag deployment we have 30 seconds of video, it means at least when the vehicle is moving, they are always recording. My take on it is if it is not required by law, owner must have control over it otherwise it is a privacy issue.

 

[Craigins]

when they're disabled, do they stay on anyways?

the cameras may be powered but the images wouldn't need to be processed. The cameras are only going to pull between 1-2W (typically around 1W) when not in use.

 

[NY_Rob]

^ exactly, the cams would still have 12v power no matter.. but they draw maybe 1 watt or less. It's the DVR system CPU that's pulling all the power continuously transcoding and analyzing all the streams that should be able to be disabled by turning Gear Guard off.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find the surveillance system is automatically 100% active regardless of driver preferences/settings while in "Drive" just for accident coverage.

 

[Dirty_B]

^ exactly, the cams would still have 12v power no matter.. but they draw maybe 1 watt or less. It's the DVR system CPU that's pulling all the power continuously transcoding and analyzing all the streams that should be able to be disabled by turning Gear Guard off.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find the surveillance system is automatically 100% active regardless of driver preferences/settings while in "Drive" just for accident coverage.

Totally lost on this: In " Drive" wouldn't be vampire drain right, unless you leave your car on overnight in the garage in " Drive"...also is what you're saying, using easy numbers, 2.4kWh vampire drain over 24 hours = 100 watts continuous by gear guard?

 

[Craigins]

Totally lost on this: In " Drive" wouldn't be vampire drain right, unless you leave your car on overnight in the garage in " Drive"...also is what you're saying, using easy numbers, 2.4kWh vampire drain over 24 hours = 100 watts continuous by gear guard?

so it would be vampire drain because you'd contribute the additional power consumption to "driving" when really it is doing something you didn't tell it to do.

The only difference would be the vehicle is in motion. And since the vehicle uses so much power for propulsion, relative to the video system, it is barely noticeable.

 

[SANZC02]

Any DVR/NVR surveillance system I've ever built/worked on actually streams all feeds from all cams 24/7/365 to the recorder but only saves "motion events" if triggered by motion as analyzed from it's image sensor chip... no PIR sensors, etc.. The NVR CPU constantly analyzes frame by frame data from every feed from every cam then saves image streams as required by user "rules". This method is what allows us to "pre-record" events that actually happen before a motion trigger is activated. We don't have a magic time machine that allows us to go back in time to before something happened.. but we do have the always recording stream from every cam in the buffer or temp HD file, and it's easy to save from "trigger" -30 seconds to "Trigger" plus 30 seconds so you capture the events that lead up to the trigger event.
If Rivians Gear Guard works like all the other NVR's.. it's constantly recording and analyzing all those cams frame by frame for events- which would explain the large amount of energy used by the Gear Guard system.

That is how the security DVRs I have work.

I have them on a smart plug that captures their energy usage, the house with a newer 8 camera DVR uses 8-11 kWh a month, the one with an older 5 camera DVR system uses 11-16 kWh a month. If gear guard is the main consumer instead of using around .5 kWh a day like the home systems are using, at 5% of the battery a day it is using 6.25 kWh a day, just does not seem reasonable to me.

 

[BoltEVowner]

Going to watch mine unplugged overnight in very secure area, gear guard OFF, climate control OFF, and see how many miles of range I lose overnight. Hoping it's a small number and inconsequential!

 

[jjswan33]

Going to watch mine unplugged overnight in very secure area, gear guard OFF, climate control OFF, and see how many miles of range I lose overnight. Hoping it's a small number and inconsequential!

Reset your trip meter when you shut it off, in the AM it should tell you exactly how much energy you have lost.

I have been seeing 5-6kWh/day without gear guard, latest software and in my insulated garage (~60F).

 

[Max]

Going to watch mine unplugged overnight in very secure area, gear guard OFF, climate control OFF, and see how many miles of range I lose overnight. Hoping it's a small number and inconsequential!

Can you turn off phone as a key or anything else than can wake it up so we can see what is the best scenario case is?

 

[Dirty_B]

so it would be vampire drain because you'd contribute the additional power consumption to "driving" when really it is doing something you didn't tell it to do.

The only difference would be the vehicle is in motion. And since the vehicle uses so much power for propulsion, relative to the video system, it is barely noticeable.

Ahh so in essence, propulsion power could actually be lower but we don't know because the system only shows all power used not system level. And gear guard could be pulling power 24/7, just like almost any system could be pulling power 24/7.

 

[whyasky]

Reset your trip meter when you shut it off, in the AM it should tell you exactly how much energy you have lost.

I have been seeing 5-6kWh/day without gear guard, latest software and in my insulated garage (~60F).

Have you also tried turning off phone as a key? And anything else that may wake the car?

Frankly, it is disappointing the truck is consuming this much energy when stationary. I'm sure rivian is working on it and hopefully will make progress s00n. Tesla doesn't have this issue. My ID.4 doesn't have sentry mode but it lost only 1% sitting in an airport garage for 5 days while I was away recently and that's consistent with my experience over the last year.

Gear guard has been discussed ad nauseum here and it seems it's not the primary culprit. This is probably a confluence of various systems staying awake too long and excess battery management.

Fortunately they've been making significant changes OTA, so here's hoping. Maybe even before I get mine in the next couple months?! Yea, that'd be great.

 

[jjswan33]

Have you also tried turning off phone as a key? And anything else that may wake the car?

Frankly, it is disappointing the truck is consuming this much energy when stationary. I'm sure rivian is working on it and hopefully will make progress s00n. Tesla doesn't have this issue. My ID.4 doesn't have sentry mode but it lost only 1% sitting in an airport garage for 5 days while I was away recently and that's consistent with my experience over the last year.

Gear guard has been discussed ad nauseum here and it seems it's not the primary culprit. This is probably a confluence of various systems staying awake too long and excess battery management.

Fortunately they've been making significant changes OTA, so here's hoping. Maybe even before I get mine in the next couple months?! Yea, that'd be great.

At some point on a previous software version I turned off PAK for a night and didn’t see meaningfully different results, I think the post may be somewhere early in this thread. That said I don’t even have the proximity key on, I turned it off a month or so ago when I got sick of my truck locking and unlocking all the time but I do still have PAK enabled.

Agree on the other cars, I have also commented on the drain I observed in my FE Kia EV6 while I had it, after I got my R1T I basically didn’t drive it for 2 weeks and never had to plug it in and noticed no significant loss of SOC (maybe 1-2%).

Also fully hope they can sort it out. So far I’ve not seen any improvement in the updates but others have reported some improvement. Honestly this is the thing I most want improved with the truck. I looked today and my trip meter says 1.6 mi/kWh for the last 450 miles over the last few weeks. So when your not driving much the truck looks inefficient but I guess I shouldn’t complain because that converts to a MPGe of ~54

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