My First and Likely Last Post

[mikehmb]

And last time in socal you’d think they’re government issued…they’re everywhere

It would be moderately hilarious if the Model 3 and Y became the next Nissan Altima and Rogue.

There are at least 4 Ys in my neighborhood. Another smattering of 3s. 2-3 S. Another 3-4 Xs. And it’s a small neighborhood.

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I don’t blame anyone for wanting something cheaper or more established. But using “Now You know” as a source/basis is laughable. I don’t understand how people actually sit through those videos, I’ve tried 2 of theirs for 2-3 minutes, complete waste of time. One of the few channels I ended up blocking from my YouTube suggestions.

 

[Rousie13]

I understand all of your points like everyone else has said. The Y is a great vehicle, but it’s not in the same league as an R1T. We currently own a Y and a R1T. My wife loves her Y and it’s a great commuter car for her, but no way would I get rid of my R1T for the Y.

Is the $7500 even guaranteed on the Y after this month? Has that been set by the government or is it still up in the air?

 

[sparkles]

Greetings, Rivian Lovers!

I am writing this post with a bit of sadness, because I have decided to cancel my R1T order. I placed the order in April of 2022 and at the moment my estimated delivery is April - May of 2023 - so close! One side effect to having to wait so long for a vehicle is that it gives you months/years to debate your decision and whether or not it is/was a good one. Two months ago I was "all in" and envisioning my life with a shiny new blue R1T. I had watched countless videos on YouTube showing how capable they are off-road, how great the storage is, how beautiful they are, etc. I couldn't wait to buy some lumber and throw it in the back of the truck, or take it camping nearby. I am starting to see more and more R1Ts on the road in the DC/VA/MD area (including the occasional R1S). But then I watched some videos by the "Now You Know" guys who own a Rivian and have had some pretty major issues with theirs and some not-so-stellar experiences with Rivian service.

Long story short, instead of the R1T, I am going to get a Tesla Model Y instead for the following reasons:

1. I have the possibility of getting a $7,500 tax rebate. I don't have that option with a Rivian, and $7,500 is a lot of cash to leave on the table.
2. The difference in price between the two vehicles is $35K ($92,500 for the R1T and $57,500 for the Model Y the way I configured them). I can have my bathrooms remodeled with that money. That's a lot of beer money.
3. Both companies have quality/build/service issues, but in my opinion, despite what the J.D. Power Satisfaction Survey says, Rivian is just too young and working through too many kinks.
4. The Tesla charging network is vast and the super chargers "just work". I know they will be opening them up to other EVs in the near future, but I don't want to have any trouble charging or finding a charging station with a Rivian.
5. We live in a pretty remote/rural location and sometimes only have one vehicle at our house. If that one vehicle is a Rivian and it gets bricked like it did for the "Now You Know" guys, we'd have to have it towed 100 miles to Richmond (the closest service location) and then what - catch an Uber to the closest city to rent a car? I have no idea. Our internet is also not great, and I worry that if the R1T decided to pull down an OTA update, it could fail and possibly brick the truck.
6. I am getting a trailer hitch on the Model Y so I will still be able to haul lumber, tree branches, etc.

I love everything about the Rivian, and have ever since I saw them in the "Long Way Up" documentary. They are gorgeous and look like they are a blast to drive. But for me, they need a few more years under their belt to be as reliable as Tesla who have been in the game for many more years. My guess is that in 3-5 years I will be buying a Rivian (R2T?). Heck, in 3-5 years there will be a lot of other EV choices on the market. Mark my words though, I will never buy a Tesla Truck as those are hands down the ugliest thing I've ever seen!

FYI the "Now You Know" guys are known Tesla shills with financial interest in making competing EV companies look bad. If you're looking for better service and quality Tesla is exactly the wrong place to look.

 

[crashmtb]

It would be moderately hilarious if the Model 3 and Y became the next Nissan Altima and Rogue.

There are at least 4 Ys in my neighborhood. Another smattering of 3s. 2-3 S. Another 3-4 Xs. And it’s a small neighborhood.

My wife used to work in Carmel, called model S-es “Carmel camrys“

 

[kayabusa]

I got my R1T 6 months ago, LA silver with ocean coast interior and AT 20" wheels, full working tannou cover.......I have to confess, I'm addicted to drive this thing.... I can't find enough excuses to go for a ride........ From your post I'm learning something very valuable that I may never forget. Don't be like that guy from Rivian Forum and always pursuit the new and beautiful unknown.... and never settle for safety and borenes. Stay Adventurous

 

[rivianguy]

Greetings, Rivian Lovers!

I am writing this post with a bit of sadness, because I have decided to cancel my R1T order. I placed the order in April of 2022 and at the moment my estimated delivery is April - May of 2023 - so close! One side effect to having to wait so long for a vehicle is that it gives you months/years to debate your decision and whether or not it is/was a good one. Two months ago I was "all in" and envisioning my life with a shiny new blue R1T. I had watched countless videos on YouTube showing how capable they are off-road, how great the storage is, how beautiful they are, etc. I couldn't wait to buy some lumber and throw it in the back of the truck, or take it camping nearby. I am starting to see more and more R1Ts on the road in the DC/VA/MD area (including the occasional R1S). But then I watched some videos by the "Now You Know" guys who own a Rivian and have had some pretty major issues with theirs and some not-so-stellar experiences with Rivian service.

Long story short, instead of the R1T, I am going to get a Tesla Model Y instead for the following reasons:

1. I have the possibility of getting a $7,500 tax rebate. I don't have that option with a Rivian, and $7,500 is a lot of cash to leave on the table.
2. The difference in price between the two vehicles is $35K ($92,500 for the R1T and $57,500 for the Model Y the way I configured them). I can have my bathrooms remodeled with that money. That's a lot of beer money.
3. Both companies have quality/build/service issues, but in my opinion, despite what the J.D. Power Satisfaction Survey says, Rivian is just too young and working through too many kinks.
4. The Tesla charging network is vast and the super chargers "just work". I know they will be opening them up to other EVs in the near future, but I don't want to have any trouble charging or finding a charging station with a Rivian.
5. We live in a pretty remote/rural location and sometimes only have one vehicle at our house. If that one vehicle is a Rivian and it gets bricked like it did for the "Now You Know" guys, we'd have to have it towed 100 miles to Richmond (the closest service location) and then what - catch an Uber to the closest city to rent a car? I have no idea. Our internet is also not great, and I worry that if the R1T decided to pull down an OTA update, it could fail and possibly brick the truck.
6. I am getting a trailer hitch on the Model Y so I will still be able to haul lumber, tree branches, etc.

I love everything about the Rivian, and have ever since I saw them in the "Long Way Up" documentary. They are gorgeous and look like they are a blast to drive. But for me, they need a few more years under their belt to be as reliable as Tesla who have been in the game for many more years. My guess is that in 3-5 years I will be buying a Rivian (R2T?). Heck, in 3-5 years there will be a lot of other EV choices on the market. Mark my words though, I will never buy a Tesla Truck as those are hands down the ugliest thing I've ever seen!

Sounds like cost is your #1 factor, and it's hard to argue with that. I applaud you for making the right financial decision for you and your family. The Model Y and the Rivian R1T aren't really in the same class so if you are happier with something much less expensive, with more convenient servicing options then it seems like a no brainer. Enjoy the Tesla!

 

[LeDiable]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing against the "Now You Know" Telsastans.

But using “Now You know” as a source/basis is laughable. I don’t understand how people actually sit through those videos, I’ve tried 2 of theirs for 2-3 minutes, complete waste of time. One of the few channels I ended up blocking from my YouTube suggestions.

FYI the "Now You Know" guys are known Tesla shills with financial interest in making competing EV companies look bad.

Awhile back a friend shared a link with me for one of the Now You Know videos, I could barely get through it and immediately hated those two morons. They were trying to take the R1T camping or something and spent the bulk of the video bitching about how the RAN and other public charging options didn't exist where they were & comparing it to how accessible the supercharger network is. Besides that, they couldn't stop bringing up Tesla: The vampire drain is so much worse then a Tesla, charging is much more difficult than with a Tesla, the software isn't as feature rich as Tesla. I won't deny there was varying amounts of truth in some of it (at that time at least) and honestly I'd expect it given how much longer Tesla has been around.

Trying to watch that video, I just kept thinking that I just wanted a review of the Rivian, not a comparison to another vehicle, EV or not. How practical is camping in the Rivian? I wouldn't really know from watching those two numbnuts.

I'm not discounting any legitimate issues they've had with the truck itself, but since I blocked their channel from my YouTube feed, I don't know what they're dealing with and honestly have zero interest in finding out.

 

[Prime]

I understand all of your points like everyone else has said. The Y is a great vehicle, but it’s not in the same league as an R1T. We currently own a Y and a R1T. My wife loves her Y and it’s a great commuter car for her, but no way would I get rid of my R1T for the Y.

Is the $7500 even guaranteed on the Y after this month? Has that been set by the government or is it still up in the air?

Yes there should be no change in tax credits after March. Tesla both builds its vehicles and batteries in the US and sources battery minerals from free trade agreement countries, except for the LFP batteries sourced from CATL in the RWD Model 3.

 

[jebinc]

like everyone said, can't blame you, your reasons for switching to a (Y) make sense. before you do though, i would have to say that i think you should listen to @swhme and try and rent a (Y) for a day or two, and an R1T (if you can) to compare the two. I my self pre ordered in Aug 2019 and took delivery in may of 2022, so 2 years, 9 months and 11 days i believe was my wait. After having the vehicle for 10 months, (2 of which it was at a collision center thanks to my neighbor not paying attention.) but knowing what i know today, if i was told i had to wait twice as long for it, and pay the current price for it, i would.
My back up was a (Y), and i have used one for week on and off, it is a great vehicle in my opinion, i loved it. Did i like it over my more expensive, less reliable charging infrastructure, younger company R1T? No way in hell!!!.

But still, do try the (Y) for a few days first, even if your mind of the R1T is already made, you may find out the (Y) isnt what you need or want and maybe something else works better for you.

and last, I dont care what the "Now You Know" guys say and what their experience has been like, I have had no major issues, a bad window gasket here, a software issue that a hard reset fixed there, nothing else. now is it possible to have some issues? yes of course, I've heard of and seen Tesla with way worse, and some with no issues, same you may see with any vehicle, ford, chevy, toyota, lexus, etc. And as far as the service people and reps, they have gone beyond my expectation, the service guys at the service center have been amazing, as well as my guide and the customer service people, even to the point where i get a random message from some of them just to see how everything has been.

Anyways, Good luck and stay adventurous!!

OP is long gone. They came, “dumped,” ? and left.

 

[ironpig]

There are currently 160 single owner lightly used Model Ys for sale within 50 miles of me. 60 of them are white. Seems to be a lot of people trying to unload them after a year or two.

 

[zer0t]

There are currently 160 single owner lightly used Model Ys for sale within 50 miles of me. 60 of them are white. Seems to be a lot of people trying to unload them after a year or two.

Mine is nearly 3 years old and great. I'm not sure which electric crossover can compare on perf, range, space, efficiency, infotaiment and mobile app.

 

[moosetags]

I need and want a pick-up truck. a sedan doesn't work for us. I've looked at the the Ford Lightning and am not super impressed. I'll take a look at the Silverado E when I can see one in the flesh.

I believe I will wait for my R1T. I do not even have a guide yet, even though my order date is November 28, 2018. Rivian tells me that they will not sell me a truck because I live too far from one of their Service Centers.

Discouraged, but still hanging in.

Brian

 

[milliemc]

Greetings, Rivian Lovers!

I am writing this post with a bit of sadness, because I have decided to cancel my R1T order. I placed the order in April of 2022 and at the moment my estimated delivery is April - May of 2023 - so close! One side effect to having to wait so long for a vehicle is that it gives you months/years to debate your decision and whether or not it is/was a good one. Two months ago I was "all in" and envisioning my life with a shiny new blue R1T. I had watched countless videos on YouTube showing how capable they are off-road, how great the storage is, how beautiful they are, etc. I couldn't wait to buy some lumber and throw it in the back of the truck, or take it camping nearby. I am starting to see more and more R1Ts on the road in the DC/VA/MD area (including the occasional R1S). But then I watched some videos by the "Now You Know" guys who own a Rivian and have had some pretty major issues with theirs and some not-so-stellar experiences with Rivian service.

Long story short, instead of the R1T, I am going to get a Tesla Model Y instead for the following reasons:

1. I have the possibility of getting a $7,500 tax rebate. I don't have that option with a Rivian, and $7,500 is a lot of cash to leave on the table.
2. The difference in price between the two vehicles is $35K ($92,500 for the R1T and $57,500 for the Model Y the way I configured them). I can have my bathrooms remodeled with that money. That's a lot of beer money.
3. Both companies have quality/build/service issues, but in my opinion, despite what the J.D. Power Satisfaction Survey says, Rivian is just too young and working through too many kinks.
4. The Tesla charging network is vast and the super chargers "just work". I know they will be opening them up to other EVs in the near future, but I don't want to have any trouble charging or finding a charging station with a Rivian.
5. We live in a pretty remote/rural location and sometimes only have one vehicle at our house. If that one vehicle is a Rivian and it gets bricked like it did for the "Now You Know" guys, we'd have to have it towed 100 miles to Richmond (the closest service location) and then what - catch an Uber to the closest city to rent a car? I have no idea. Our internet is also not great, and I worry that if the R1T decided to pull down an OTA update, it could fail and possibly brick the truck.
6. I am getting a trailer hitch on the Model Y so I will still be able to haul lumber, tree branches, etc.

I love everything about the Rivian, and have ever since I saw them in the "Long Way Up" documentary. They are gorgeous and look like they are a blast to drive. But for me, they need a few more years under their belt to be as reliable as Tesla who have been in the game for many more years. My guess is that in 3-5 years I will be buying a Rivian (R2T?). Heck, in 3-5 years there will be a lot of other EV choices on the market. Mark my words though, I will never buy a Tesla Truck as those are hands down the ugliest thing I've ever seen!

God speed. We currently have a Tesla Model 3--and wish we had bought a Y. The 3 is just to hard to get into--a bit too small--and we feel all of the bumps. Having said that, we have had NO issues in 3 years--a couple recalls that were easily handled. Tesla is very easy to charge and even have level 2 chargers at the National Parks. It is well made. Don't bother paying for FSD. It is worthless in my humble opinion.

 

[milliemc]

I need and want a pick-up truck. a sedan doesn't work for us. I've looked at the the Ford Lightning and am not super impressed. I'll take a look at the Silverado E when I can see one in the flesh.

I believe I will wait for my R1T. I do not even have a guide yet, even though my order date is November 28, 2018. Rivian tells me that they will not sell me a truck because I live too far from one of their Service Centers.

Discouraged, but still hanging in.

Brian

How far is too far, may I ask. Our nearest SC toys is 5 hours away, in Denver.

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