POLL: Would you like Rivian to adopt NACS Tesla charging standard?

[DuoRivians]

If you never use a supercharger you will never have to worry about it, will you?

Edit: and the poll is explicitly about the connector. Its a better connection. Flat out.

No it’s not. Run another poll asking if people want NACS if it also meant no supercharger access.

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[Jason]

No it’s not. Run another poll asking if people want NACS if it also meant no supercharger access.

"Would you like to see Rivian switch to NACS"

 

[DuoRivians]

"Would you like to see Rivian switch to NACS"

Clearly, you’re a bit dense and don’t understand context

 

[Dark-Fx]

No it’s not. Run another poll asking if people want NACS if it also meant no supercharger access.

I'd be really interested in the results of a poll with two options. Should Tesla switch all their stations to CCS and open the supercharger network to everyone, or should Rivian switch the connector to NACS with no guarantee of access or future compatibility with the Tesla supercharger network. Ultimately those are the two options as they are presented today.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

You raise excellent points and I share all of your concerns. The issue here is that the existing network of Superchargers is simply not designed for non-Tesla vehicles and there are no easy fixes.

I am all for a charging standard, but whatever that standard is, it can't be a monopoly which is exactly what it will be if everyone switched over. Tesla controls nearly 100% of NACS charging infrastructure. Third parties would be toast. No ability to effectively compete to lower cost and drive innovation.

I definitely agree. I don't like monopolies either. I see it as adapters are a short-term solution. Tesla already sells a CCS to NACS adapter. I think eventually charging stations will switch over. I think opening it up will generate more competition and not a monopoly and more competition will be a win for the consumer lower prices and more reliable charging infrastructure.

Tesla may give free charging to Tesla owners or a certain amount of free charging. But I don't really see that as being any different than electrify America giving VW and Audi buyers free charging for specified period of time. I think if they have a different pricing structure or something like that that will not go over well with consumers.

 

[SeaGeo]

I voted no, but if control of Tesla’s plug is transferred to an independent body I would possibly vote yes.

Only under certain terms:

1. Tesla relinquishes all IP around NACS and surrounding charging patents, including how AC v DC switching occurs on vehicle side via the 2 pins on NACS

2. NACS standards board becomes an independent third party, where all members of the board get to determine how NACS evolves over time.

3. All vehicles of any brand with NACS compatibility get access to Superchargers. This point matters, because the only reason we're talking about this is because people want Supercharger access. (We wouldn't be talking about this if the debate is about whether EA should adopt NACS or CCS)

Otherwise, I would prefer to keep CCS. The last thing I want to see is EV adoption/growth done on Tesla's terms.

These. And either a full retrofit available for existing vehicles or an adapter that does not result in a charging performance reduction.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I voted no, but if control of Tesla’s plug is transferred to an independent body I would possibly vote yes.

This. Putting all charging in the hands of one EV company is bad for all other EV companies.

 

[Joel]

You raise excellent points and I share all of your concerns. The issue here is that the existing network of Superchargers is simply not designed for non-Tesla vehicles and there are no easy fixes.

I am all for a charging standard, but whatever that standard is, it can't be a monopoly which is exactly what it will be if everyone switched over. Tesla controls nearly 100% of NACS charging infrastructure. Third parties would be toast. No ability to effectively compete to lower cost and drive innovation.

This is true today. But don’t you think with Ford and GM jumping on NACS that EVGO, ChargePoint, EA, and others will add the NACS to the existing stations? The interesting thing is a lot of people in this thread appear to only be looking at the connector only being available at Tesla chargers.

 

[Sully151]

I voted “undecided”.

We currently don’t have enough information to make such a decision.

Will Tesla/Elon open SC?
Will the adapter work well, how much will it cost?
Will there be a retrofit in the works?
What will it cost to charge at a SC?
Will Tesla/Elon have the entire charging market?

That’s just the start of it.

 

[Joel]

I voted “undecided”.

We currently don’t have enough information to make such a decision.

Will Tesla/Elon open SC?
Will the adapter work well, how much will it cost?
Will there be a retrofit in the works?
What will it cost to charge at a SC?
Will Tesla/Elon have the entire charging market?

That’s just the start of it.

The few stops that my son would stop at with his Tesla the price was a little more than EA with the $4 monthly membership. In other areas Tesla was less or more than EA.

 

[opnwide]

As long as Canada and Europe are on a different standard than the U.S., and England has the charge port on the wrong side, I’m fine with it. And the Aussies can do whatever they want. Love the Aussies.

 

[klownhavok]

You raise excellent points and I share all of your concerns. The issue here is that the existing network of Superchargers is simply not designed for non-Tesla vehicles and there are no easy fixes.

I am all for a charging standard, but whatever that standard is, it can't be a monopoly which is exactly what it will be if everyone switched over. Tesla controls nearly 100% of NACS charging infrastructure. Third parties would be toast. No ability to effectively compete to lower cost and drive innovation.

OR the third party suppliers will be forced to make something better and just as reliable as the Tesla SC’s. Right now it is a charging nightmare out there. Anyone I talk to with a Tesla has ZERO concerns with range/road trips and finding chargers. Now what could possibly happen is give us access to the SC’s via an adapter and let Rivian build out the adventure network because there’s a shortage of DCFC in remote locations and parks. Rivian could then capitalize and corner that market while also having the security of Rivian owners being able to travel on highways with no worries while ALSO having access to Rivian chargers while camping. ????

 

[AxelR]

Would they retrofit this to already produced/delivered vehicles?

By the way charging at a supercharger with a non Tesla is much more expensive than using other EVCS.

edit: crazy phone.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Would you like to see Rivian switch to NACS

I'd rather they just get tesla to support the Rivian via an adapter. But yes, NACS would be convenient

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