R1S vs Model Y in mud

[atheurer]

You wait until it dries up. Or you put something sturdy underneath the entire way.

Did you even air down your tires to ~ 30psi?

No, and did not need to on the Model Y, but I'll give that a shot. Thanks for the advice.

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[DuoRivians]

If the impression is that I was blaming Rivian, that is not my intention. I was merely stating in the same conditions that the Model Y was much much easier to get out of a bad situation. I do think the problem is primarily the weight difference vs tire footprint, and yes, for mud, in this situation, it is the reason the Model Y was "better".

Do everyone here just automatically think the Rivian is superior? Is this forum really that fan-boyish?

To anyone offering genuine advice, I appreciate it. To those just flinging insults, have a nice day.

You got lucky with your MYP on this attempt. Go do it again with your MYP and see what happens

 

[Mister Person]

Street tires, meet mud.

 

[jjswan33]

If you wanted to drive through mud with your off-road vehicle maybe you should get off-road tires? You clearly didn’t buy this for off roading and you want to blame Rivian for selling you a shitty off roader. Makes sense

 

[Chewy734]

I wasn’t able to tell from your photo, but what tires are you running on the R1S?

 

[mikehmb]

If the impression is that I was blaming Rivian, that is not my intention. I was merely stating in the same conditions that the Model Y was much much easier to get out of a bad situation. I do think the problem is primarily the weight difference vs tire footprint, and yes, for mud, in this situation, it is the reason the Model Y was "better".

Do everyone here just automatically think the Rivian is superior? Is this forum really that fan-boyish?

To anyone offering genuine advice, I appreciate it. To those just flinging insults, have a nice day.

Initial message came in hot, and you got flamed for it.

I think over time if you stick around this forum, you’ll see PLENTY of the same people here in this thread being very honest about their ownership experience, including shortcomings of the vehicle.

Tires + weight are the combo. WIth the weight of this truck, you will absolutely need to be conscious of conditions you put it in. And you have road tires, which are good in many conditions, but objectively awful in deep mud. If you are dealing with mud often, given the weight of this vehicle, it makes a lot more sense to go to ATs at the very least - and be prepared to air down.

 

[atheurer]

I wasn’t able to tell from your photo, but what tires are you running on the R1S?

The standard ones for 22" wheels. M-Y has high perf summer tires. I think both tire types would be bad for this situation.

I do kind of expect the 34" all-terrains on 20's to do a lot better here. Kind of wish I got those instead. I have 34" Toyo's on 17's on my 2001 LX470 (not at this location right now sadly), and I'd like to think it would have been fine, but who knows. Maybe I should do some head-to-head between the two.

 

[ohseedee]

Everyone giving OP a hard time about getting stuck in the mud, but I’m more curious about how this misadventure caused the “broken A/C vents”

 

[COdogman]

Your Y was able to get out simply because it weighs less and did not sink as far into the mud (gravity). It doesn't mean your Y is better off road than your S.

Since your S was already parked there when it rained, driving it out while the mud is still wet has a low chance of success (starting from stuck), especially on 22" street tires. That is why tire companies sell mud terrain tires that are different from all terrain or all season or street tires.

If you aired down the tires and used recovery boards or wood planks it might work, but you would probably have to keep the tires on the boards all the way out because of the weight of your S and the tread on the street tires. So I would have probably waited until the mud dried more or given it a pull from the street to keep it moving.

 

[atheurer]

Initial message came in hot, and you got flamed for it.

I think over time if you stick around this forum, you’ll see PLENTY of the same people here in this thread being very honest about their ownership experience, including shortcomings of the vehicle.

Tires + weight are the combo. WIth the weight of this truck, you will absolutely need to be conscious of conditions you put it in. And you have road tires, which are good in many conditions, but objectively awful in deep mud. If you are dealing with mud often, given the weight of this vehicle, it makes a lot more sense to go to ATs at the very least - and be prepared to air down.

Agreed and thanks for your perspective. I did come it hot and I should not have. I was clearly venting, as my "initial quality" experience has been far below other new vehicle purchases.

It was my mistake for assuming mud would be fine, and it's not Rivian's fault or anyone else's, just physics. I certainly will avoid mud nt he future, no matter the vehicle.

The funny thing is this ground did not "present" as mud at all. We weren't sinking in the ground as we were walking, but if you disturb it just a bit, it turns into chocolate pudding.

 

[Mathme]

Yeah...I agree with the AC Vents.

And one of the FIRST things I noticed were those 22" wheels with street orientated performance tires. Looks like there was also a lot of tire spinning based on the caked-on mud on said street tires, on a 7,000lb vehicle. This looks like a case of the wrong equipment for the wrong role.

I spend a lot of time at 6500 feet in the Sierra Winters. You'd be surprised how many times there are SUVs with summer performance tires in a snow banks. Just because you have 4 wheel drive doesn't mean you are invincible. As my day always said, "the difference between 2-wheel drive and 4-wheel drive in the 4-wheeler is stuck twice as hard."

This looks like a serious case of driver error that's blamed on the equipment that wasn't set up for those conditions.

 

[1T2022]

drive on water, R1T will sink faster than Y

 

[Dark-Fx]

Welcome to the forum. Next time try using the Model Y's floor mats as a traction device for the Rivian.

 

[mikehmb]

Agreed and thanks for your perspective. I did come it hot and I should not have. I was clearly venting, as my "initial quality" experience has been far below other new vehicle purchases.

It was my mistake for assuming mud would be fine, and it's not Rivian's fault or anyone else's, just physics. I certainly will avoid mud nt he future, no matter the vehicle.

The funny thing is this ground did not "present" as mud at all. We weren't sinking in the ground as we were walking, but if you disturb it just a bit, it turns into chocolate pudding.

Honestly the scariest thing about mud is the variability you can have in a small geographic area. I’ve hit mud in my truck and bashed right through it, while a friend took a line 10‘ to the right and sank to the axles (and he had mud tires vs. me on ATs).

I hate mud.

 

[1T2022]

love mud adventure

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