my R1S charging nightmare

[0ut0fenergy]

Hmmmm EV adoption is dead? I don’t think so.

Facts before your feelings. It's dead in the US. Go see how many EVs are sitting in inventory that is not a Tesla (as those are still selling).

Both sides of the "electrification" and "ICE" spectrum is so out of touch and bury their heads in the sand defending each position without being neutral.

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[emoore]

Facts before your feelings. It's dead in the US. Go see how many EVs are sitting in inventory that is not a Tesla (as those are still selling).

Sure if you say so. Go look at how many ICE vehicles are sitting in inventory. A lot.

Here are some actual facts.
https://fortune.com/2023/11/23/us-electric-vehicle-sales-2023-record/amp/

 

[0ut0fenergy]

Sure if you say so. Go look at how many ICE vehicles are sitting in inventory. A lot.

Everything is unaffordable due to resident in charge and leftist politicians. EVs even more so as they are unprofitable and unaffordable.

Very few of the population can afford a rivian let alone an EV that the politicians are catering.

There are even more EVs in inventory sitting in lots and for sale. A simple look at autotrader cars.com or wholesale at rivian alone will show you how many are on the market and not selling.

I left Lucid as they are dead as well and broke. No ones buying their terrible product. Lucid including Rivian criticized Tesla for quality problems when they themselves had worse QAQC.

 

[emoore]

Everything is unaffordable due to resident in charge and leftist politicians. EVs even more so as they are unprofitable and unaffordable.

Very few of the population can afford a rivian let alone an EV that the politicians are catering.

There are even more EVs in inventory sitting in lots and for sale. A simple look at autotrader cars.com or wholesale at rivian alone will show you how many are on the market and not selling.

I left Lucid as they are dead as well and broke. No ones buying their terrible product. Lucid including Rivian criticized Tesla for quality problems when they themselves had worse QAQC.

Sure just blame someone else. Wow.

EV sales are at an all time high in the US. That’s a fact.

 

[RivRyan]

I don't understand the EV approach to extremely low-battery status at all.

A car or a computer that can monitor their batteries can also automate a shut-down procedure at a given power threshold that allows more or less seamless restart. Why would there be ongoing processes in a car that can never be allowed to shut down, necessitating that first the running battery and then the 12-volt be drained beyond recovery?

I don't want a lottery system, allowing me to maybe eke it out to the charger with the very last micro-watt/hour of power, or else lose everything. I'd rather fail to reach that charger by a half mile because the company automated shut down in a way that allowed me to be towed and/or jumped and easily recover.

Clearly this happens fairly often, whether on the go and missing a charging station, or during a hiatus in use, so it's a contingency designers need to plan around.

 

[Dark-Fx]

However, it may be that Rivian engineers and/or attorneys decided that giving people a way to release the parking brake (without a way to reapply it) on a 7,000 pound vehicle which may or may not have power brakes or even be operational at all, could turn out very, VERY badly.

Rivian has a special tool to manually release the parking brake. Not sure to the extent of the availability of the tool at all, but it's listed on the service tools website. https://rivianservicetools.com/Catalog/Product/TSN00547-300-B

 

[Riviot]

Sure just blame someone else. Wow.

EV sales are at an all time high in the US. That’s a fact.

Brand new member, starts off hot firing partisan rants and revving up emotions, no real contribution to the discussion.

Happy new year!

 

[COdogman]

Everything is unaffordable due to resident in charge and leftist politicians. EVs even more so as they are unprofitable and unaffordable.

Very few of the population can afford a rivian let alone an EV that the politicians are catering.

There are even more EVs in inventory sitting in lots and for sale. A simple look at autotrader cars.com or wholesale at rivian alone will show you how many are on the market and not selling.

I left Lucid as they are dead as well and broke. No ones buying their terrible product. Lucid including Rivian criticized Tesla for quality problems when they themselves had worse QAQC.

 

[NY_Rob]

I don't understand the EV approach to extremely low-battery status at all.

A car or a computer that can monitor their batteries can also automate a shut-down procedure at a given power threshold that allows more or less seamless restart. Why would there be ongoing processes in a car that can never be allowed to shut down, necessitating that first the running battery and then the 12-volt be drained beyond recovery?

They are not all like the Rivian... some EV's have no issues being run down to an immovable state.

People have run their Bolts down to zero and simply plugged them in to a EVSE to recharge them again without issue. Same can be said for the BMW i3.. drain it to zero and bring it (or in the case of the REX version drive it) to an EVSE, plug it in and start charging, no harm, no foul. We saw an OOS video where Kyle's friend ran her iD4 completely out of juice to where it needed to get flat-bedded to a L3 charger where they plugged it in and had no problem recharging it from flat dead.

 

[RivRyan]

They are not all like the Rivian...

Thanks for the info.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

First I really wish people would stop referring to minor issues as a nightmare. Every other day someone has some mild inconvenience and I have to see another headline about nightmare this or that. Having a child diagnosed with cancer is a nightmare, a car that has to go get fixed for free is a mild inconvenience.

Second, I'm glad the OP admits they are at fault for parking the car with such a low battery. Don't do that again and you'll be all good. I do agree there needs to be a recovery process outside of send the car to a service center, if for nothing else than lightening the load of the service centers. Rivian's go to of send it in for every little thing is part of the reason the wait time is measured in months.

Shit like this is going to happen when people who aren't very careful cross with products that aren't perfect. Personally I treat my cars like an airplane. I don't assume the thing is going to be fine I check it every single time I use it and park it to make sure it is operating properly.

We know very few consumer goods are perfect, but fortunately for us we can stack the deck in our favor with our own behaviors.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Facts before your feelings. It's dead in the US. Go see how many EVs are sitting in inventory that is not a Tesla (as those are still selling).

Both sides of the "electrification" and "ICE" spectrum is so out of touch and bury their heads in the sand defending each position without being neutral.

I knew this was going to be an unhinged rant when the first line was a Ben Shapiro tagline. Glad to see after reading the rest I wasn't disappointed.

 

[SoCal Rob]

Rivian has a special tool to manually release the parking brake. Not sure to the extent of the availability of the tool at all, but it's listed on the service tools website. https://rivianservicetools.com/Catalog/Product/TSN00547-300-B

I’d expect as much. Requiring a special tool reinforces my speculation that Rivian doesn’t want regular people manually disengaging the EPB. I can easily picture unintended consequences that typical drivers wouldn’t necessarily see in ICE cars with an EPB. Our Land Rover’s EPB manual release process was documented in the owner’s manual and could be accomplished from the driver’s seat by pulling up a piece of plastic trim and pulling a steel cable. Land Rover could do this because you could place the transmission in Park, also from the driver’s seat so you didn’t have to worry about the vehicle rolling if not on a level surface.

 

[iansriv]

Don't know about the rest of you but, I'm seriously digging the Volt right now!

 

[RivAW]

copying my Facebook post here:

all right friends. allow me to share my electric car nightmare (still in progress, unfortunately). don’t get me wrong. I’ve been an EV driver for four years but I’ve never had anything like this happen to me before.

so, with my old electric car, a nice simple Chevy bolt, I could leave it unplugged for weeks without any issues. well, not the case with my Rivian R1S. apparently, this car has quite a big “vampire draw.“ Meaning it uses a lot of power even when it just sits there doing nothing overnight. So I had something like 10 or 20 miles of range when I parked my car at the parking lot in the Berkeley Marina the other night. and then when I woke up the next morning, nothing. Zero battery power. not even enough that I could unlock the doors. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

with the first tow truck, we were able to charge the 12V battery enough so that eventually I could unlock the doors and the dashboard kind of turned on. Kind of. Sort of. But not really. Enough that the dashboard button to turn off the parking brake was there right in front of me, but it wouldn’t let me turn off the parking brake, no matter what I did. Nothing we could do would turn off the parking brake. luckily, the front two wheels were spinning freely, so the tow truck guy only had to put “skates” on the back two wheels which were locked. anyhow, long story short and the first tow truck couldn’t get my huge vehicle on the truck so I had to wait hours for a second tow truck.

Six hours later and my SUV was finally on top of the second tow truck. I was elated as we drove through Friday rush-hour traffic to get to a car charger. I had used Google maps to find a nearby charger that had enough space for this ginormous tow truck to maneuver to get my SUV to a charger. oh, an interesting point to note. In order to charge a fancy dancy car like my Rivian, you need enough power so that the computer can turn on so that it can accept the charge. So we had to jump the battery from the tow truck to some little cable buried in the back of the SUV by the trailer hitch. That would get the computer started enough that it sort of kind of seemed like it would charge.

imagine my dismay after 30 minutes of trying when EVgo customer service told me that yes there is a known problem of fast chargers being unable to charge EVs with zero battery power. so we gave up and drove five minutes away to a slower charger, which was supposed to work. And of course, 30 minutes later that charger also wouldn’t work with the car. I felt really bad as it was now late at night and the tow truck driver was already an hour past his end of the day. It took him another 30 minutes to get the SUV off the truck (remember the locked wheels).

so now, my useless car is parked on the side of the road. And I have to get it towed again to the Rivian service center in South San Francisco so they can figure out how to charge my damn car.

My astute friends might notice that I am posting this at 5 AM… Yes. The stress of this nightmare woke me up in the middle of the night and I have not been able to get back to sleep.

Arrrrrrrgh

That sucks…but that’s basically “owner ignorance” and nobody’s fault but your own. It’s well known at this point that Rivian loses approx 1-2% per day (assuming “normal”) and that you shouldn’t be draining your battery down to ~10% (unless you are a YouTuber conducting testing - with a backup plan).
If you were down to 10-20 miles of range, that was likely around 5% or less SOC and you should not have even been down that low, much less parked it overnight:

it still sucks, but that ? on you.

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