Indications of an R1 refresh

[HighVoltOverland]

Remember how the R2’s back window rolled down? I wonder if they could do that in the R1T without impacting the gear tunnel or tonneau.

Nope
Gear tunnel.
Unless you wanted the window to just go down about 8 inches

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[CharonPDX]

Nope
Gear tunnel.
Unless you wanted the window to just go down about 8 inches

I'd be happy with a "sideways slider" like many other pickups have.

A full slide-down should be possible if we give up the gear tunnel passthrough from the rear arm rest.

Getting the originally-promised removable top glass would be nice, too. Or even split glass with an opening sunroof like the first few years of Model S.

But realistically, my current R1T will stay with me until it is no longer fiscally reasonable to repair. (Whether due to accident or mechanical failure post-warranty.)

 

[ThatOneGuy]

Are there any other pre price hike order holders still holding out to see what may happen with R1 refresh. Honestly I like the launch edition but I’d like to see May 21 quarterly results before initiating a purchase. I’m hopeful for profits from edv sales to Amazon in Q1 that were delayed from Q4 to finally show positive per vehicle sales. Let me know what other locked in price order holders are thinking in light of an April refresh.

I have a pre-price hike order also. I am waiting until after the factory shutdown to decide on ordering.

 

[White Shadow]

.... they've dated their only product offerings for the next 2 years and effectively shown potential customers that they should wait. They no doubt understood this two weeks ago when they outlined a slightly higher YoY production goal for 2024 and forecasted steady demand throughout, something that will be hard to achieve in light of these developments. Simply put, Rivian has to make their current products enticing enough to convince potential customers - those that could be persuaded to buy an R1S over an R2 - to buy now instead of waiting, otherwise R1 sales will continue to slow and they will not meet their production targets....

Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would buy an R1 now when we know the NACS plug is coming soon. The idea of a native NACS plug over having to use an adapter is a big enough reason to wait. Same issue with the F150 Lightnings and other vehicles that will be able to charge at Tesla superchargers.

 

[bdwalters]

I don’t care too much about the new plug, as I imagine the adapters will work fine. I do care about all of the other improvements coming in the refresh. I think it’s going to be awesome. The refresh is one of the big reasons I sold.

 

[White Shadow]

I don’t care too much about the new plug, as I imagine the adapters will work fine. I do care about all of the other improvements coming in the refresh. I think it’s going to be awesome. The refresh is one of the big reasons I sold.

Adapters suck. Here's why: 1- you are going to have to babysit your vehicle when DC fast charging with an adapter. That's because with an adapter, anyone can unplug your vehicle at any time (unlike a native NACS) and even steal your adapter. I can easily see this happening at Tesla superchargers. 2-The adapters will eventually need to be replaced. They aren't going to last forever. That's just extra expense that's not necessary with a native NACS port.

 

[Jumpjack]

Another pre-price-hike (R1S) reservation holder here hanging on for more info. I see it as a gamble on potentially getting some improvements vs potentially suffering from cost-cutting measures.
I probably would have jumped earlier but for the Quad/Dual debate and the extra cost of the Max Pack. If I could have switched my Quad/Large for a Dual/Max at no extra cost (which seems fair to me) I would have done it but it comes out as a $6500 increase which sticks in my throat given it's likely a close to no-cost change for Rivian.
Having dithered to this point I think I'm now in for the longer haul of waiting to see what the R1S might become later this year.

 

[Biturbowned]

Adapters suck. Here's why: 1- you are going to have to babysit your vehicle when DC fast charging with an adapter. That's because with an adapter, anyone can unplug your vehicle at any time (unlike a native NACS) and even steal your adapter. I can easily see this happening at Tesla superchargers. 2-The adapters will eventually need to be replaced. They aren't going to last forever. That's just extra expense that's not necessary with a native NACS port.

Tesla owners have been using J1772 adapters forever and I’ve never experienced an issue personally, nor have I heard of a rash of reliability issues with them. Also keep in mind, once they switch to NACS, you’ll need that same adapter to plug in at J1772 L2s. It’s your call, but I’d get/enjoy the truck and use the adapter on the few occasions where you’ll need a supercharger on road trips.

 

[White Shadow]

Tesla owners have been using J1772 adapters forever and I’ve never experienced an issue personally, nor have I heard of a rash of reliability issues with them. Also keep in mind, once they switch to NACS, you’ll need that same adapter to plug in at J1772 L2s. It’s your call, but I’d get/enjoy the truck and use the adapter on the few occasions where you’ll need a supercharger on road trips.

I'd say that Tesla owners largely use Tesla superchargers the majority of the time and only use CCS when they have no other choice. I don't really know the expected life span of any adapter, but they made a point on the Out Of Spec podcast about adapters eventually needing to be replaced. Either way though, the bigger issue is not locking into the vehicle. I see that being a big problem when supercharging during a road trip.

 

[Biturbowned]

I'd say that Tesla owners largely use Tesla superchargers the majority of the time and only use CCS when they have no other choice. I don't really know the expected life span of any adapter, but they made a point on the Out Of Spec podcast about adapters eventually needing to be replaced. Either way though, the bigger issue is not locking into the vehicle. I see that being a big problem when supercharging during a road trip.

For L3 charging you’re absolutely right, we only use SCs because they’re extremely reliable and ridiculously easy to use. For L2 charging, Tesla destination chargers are pretty rare, I would bet most Tesla owners use J1772 adapters for L2 (except at home).

 

[s0ysauce]

Unless something changed, standard NACS ports were scheduled for 2025.

Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would buy an R1 now when we know the NACS plug is coming soon. The idea of a native NACS plug over having to use an adapter is a big enough reason to wait. Same issue with the F150 Lightnings and other vehicles that will be able to charge at Tesla superchargers.

 

[metagamers]

I was a pre price hike R1S reservation holder and ended up taking delivery mid December and could not be happier!

At that time we had no info on the R2 so my only concern was regarding the continued availability of the Bosch quad motors as the service center had been hinting that those components might be shifting in a different direction.

While I’d be lying by saying I don’t have some envy of the possibility of a new and better camera system, faster computer, new steering wheel and actual working (for iPhone) wireless charging pad in a R1 refresh - that’s the deal with technology it’s constantly changing and evolving and with EV’s really being computers on wheels it’s something we should come to expect.

I do wonder, how much longer Rivian will honor pre price hikes? I would not be surprised if they told people who have not taken delivery yet that their pricing will either expire by a certain date if they don’t take delivery or is only valid on certain builds as the model offerings may change so much that they no longer resemble what the reservation was originally placed for.

Regardless of decision, for those of us who currently own we all have amazing vehicles and my hope is that by driving them around it continues to help build excitement and orders for the brand. I know that since the R2 announcement I have a lot of people wanting to get a closer look at my R1S as they are now considering the R2.

 

[White Shadow]

Unless something changed, standard NACS ports were scheduled for 2025.

That's why I think a lot of people will wait for native NACS.

 

[sphereobject]

I have a pre-price hike order also. I am waiting until after the factory shutdown to decide on ordering.

Me too. I have one R1S and a second pre-price-hike order pending. I am assuming there is no way they let us roll the pre-price-hike into the refresh, but if they do allow it I will buy a refreshed R1S.

I really feel with the refresh our pre-refresh R1xs will quickly become paperweights. The refresh must include updated CPUs/GPUs and other electronic enhancements. Also, given the architecture changes they are discussing (consolidating multiple boxes), those upgrades will probably not be backward compatible. That will probably mean our legacy R1xs will be orphaned regarding future software updates.

I would also bet the post-refresh R1S (if quad lives) will be no more 5 year warranty with the quad.

 

[camaroz1985]

Adapters suck. Here's why: 1- you are going to have to babysit your vehicle when DC fast charging with an adapter. That's because with an adapter, anyone can unplug your vehicle at any time (unlike a native NACS) and even steal your adapter. I can easily see this happening at Tesla superchargers. 2-The adapters will eventually need to be replaced. They aren't going to last forever. That's just extra expense that's not necessary with a native NACS port.

Adapters lock to vehicle, and cable locks to adapter. Has to do that for safety, but will also prevent what you are worried about. Will not be an issue.

Contacts will be the same as in a charging cable/inlet, these are qualified to 1000s of mating cycles, way more than you will do in the lifetime of a vehicle. Also not an issue.

If you want to wait, go for it. These fears are not a reason to do it. Sure if you use exclusively Superchargers and Tesla wall connectors to charge, then you won't need any adapters, but realistically, you will need an adapter to go J1772/CCS to Tesla/NACS, or vice versa if you want to be able to utilize all charging networks available.

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