2024.11.2 Software Update Released! => Release Notes: Send Navigation, Mapping, Charging Feedback/Scores + Rear Display Improvements + More

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

In all seriousness I might be the only one excited for this update because I've been hoping to Rivian would add some kind of feedback mechanism to fix the map errors.

I know you can do it externally, but its nice to do it after the drive while its still fresh in my memory banks.

After any particularly bad route I always say "Alexa, submit feedback" and proceed to curse her out. I have no idea where this feedback goes, but am sure somewhere she's readying a Terminator to come, just for me. ?

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[Dave Cundiff]

As an aside, PlugShare is currently owned by EVgo as of July 2021. That's a relationship I'm not entirely happy about, but they haven't done anything evil so far. Similarly, ABRP was bought by Rivian in Jun 2023. So both of the major charger locator/review/routing apps/services are owned by charge point operators.

i.e., charging NETWORK operators (EVgo and Rivian) other than ChargePoint (which is still its own thing, as far as I know). After confusing multiple people, I want to be very clear about everything.

 

[djsider2]

Why stop at 50% charge?

It's enough to get me around for 3-5 days (and only dropping to ~20-25%). Trying to hit that middle point that some people think is best for longevity. /shrugs.

 

[VSG]

EA has to get their act together. The other services are easy to see station status. Integrating plug share or abrp crowd source is a good idea for several reasons. One to help people know when stations are broken or full since the providers are often oblivious and two to let people know when a station is ripping people off with $10 session fees or high kw or min rates

True. BUT. Recognize that many networks, for example the Rivian Adventure Network and the Tesla Superchargers (Gasp!) also don't make their station availability data public.

This is not an EA issue per se. IMO ALL networks should be making their availability and pricing data public, because that would help ALL EV users.

 

[VSG]

Weak. The available content in the stack is embarrassing. At the R2 launch RJ said safety is number one but still no voice to text. I can’t think of any modern car that doesn’t offer voice texting either native or through CP/AA. Still no Apple Music, Waze, Google Maps, onX etc. I love my truck but the content of RJ’s precious stack is a total flop.

Meh. If you're one of the people who text while driving, then shame on you. Really, is your reply so important that you're willing to risk your life and others just to respond NOW rather than 10 minutes from now?

I can't think of "any modern car" that integrates a breathalyzer interlock in the software by default - because THAT is something that could ABSOLUTELY save tens of thousands of lives a year. Talk about embarrassing ...

 

[Dark-Fx]

It's enough to get me around for 3-5 days (and only dropping to ~20-25%). Trying to hit that middle point that some people think is best for longevity. /shrugs.

Middle point would be 65 to 35%

 

[mkg3]

I know you don't want to hear this, but it is performing to the NHTSA standard. The NHTSA uses the "5th percentile female" for all their crash test guidelines and standards, which is 108 pounds. Based on your description of your wife, it sounds like she is right at or below the threshold, and if it does not activate only 30% of the time, that's actually pretty good. These sensors are not going to be 100% accurate at exactly 108 pounds every single time some one sits down.

I'm aware. Exactly what Rivian said too.

The thing is if this problem was your wife or your child, who happens to weigh about the same, and had an accident that ended up with a major head injury due to lack of airbag deployment, would you be singing the same tune...?

Rivian has said that the reason why the airbag would is disabled is due to the child carseat. If the airbag deploys, it may actually harm worse. I get it but why isn't there an override when a person is sitting with the seatbelt fastened and trigger the sensor "on" and "off" so that sometimes, airbag is enabled, and other times its disabled during the same driving session.

There is a difference between complying with the regulations and specs, and doing the right thing when there are exceptions.

As a side note, one can disable the emergency auto-braking in the Settings, Driver+ menu. Why can't the owner of the vehicle enable passenger airbag on, when seatbelt is fastened? The option should exist.

 

[SANZC02]

I have a current car+streaming subscription from my last vehicle that is still billing me every month

I thought it was going to be like spotify, where I login with my existing credentials and it's just an alternative music App.

That was my expectation as well, if it is a streaming app should be similar to what is on the phone or pc.

I guess at some point once available we will find out how it will work.

 

[SANZC02]

That is a press release from Sirius XM that says they ... "will bring SiriusXM’s audio entertainment experience to new and existing Rivian R1T and R1S models in the U.S. in 2024"

So, there is no promise there about specifically when or how it will be "brought" to the Rivian. Just that it will happen sometime this year. And we're only 3 months in.

IMO the Sirius XM app is probably already written and ready to go, but will be pushed to Rivian customers only after the Rivian premium connectivity service is introduced. I see XM as something that will take a lot of the cellular bandwidth, which is currently free to customers, so Rivian will not be adding the Sirius XM app until Rivian starts charging for connectivity. (BTW charging for connectivity is also something that was announced last year.) It is far easier to charge for *new* features than it is to start charging for *existing* features that customers currently get for free. So it would be far better to NOT offer Sirius XM until Rivian decides how to bill existing customers for the increased cellular usage.

I’m not sure the XM app will add to the bandwidth. It should be similar to the existing streaming audio apps we currently have.

I do agree that video apps will add to the bandwidth and could see them holding off on deploying those until they add the streaming plans.

 

[hekhl00]

Meh. If you're one of the people who text while driving, then shame on you. Really, is your reply so important that you're willing to risk your life and others just to respond NOW rather than 10 minutes from now?

I can't think of "any modern car" that integrates a breathalyzer interlock in the software by default - because THAT is something that could ABSOLUTELY save tens of thousands of lives a year. Talk about embarrassing ...

Well you certainly got me there. I feel really dumb and will try and think about my comments more before I hit the “post” button.

 

[VSG]

I’m not sure the XM app will add to the bandwidth. It should be similar to the existing streaming audio apps we currently have.

Right. The difference is that the existing streaming audio apps already exist. Rivian is already losing money on those because it is paying for the data. And if Rivian suddenly started charging for things we have been getting for free, then the user community would loose their shit.

With Sirius XM, it doesn't exist yet. Rivian has a choice to either:
1) Introduce it now, give it to people for free, and let them increase their cellular usage for free. Then punch them in the gut later and demand payment.
or,
2) Introduce it after Rivian starts charging for premium services, and recover the streaming cost through the premium service connection fee.

From a business point of view, I think it makes sense to stop giving away freebies (and/or having the general user base subsidize a subset of users) and start charging for usage, IF a particular customer wants to use that option.

 

[emoore]

Weak. The available content in the stack is embarrassing. At the R2 launch RJ said safety is number one but still no voice to text. I can’t think of any modern car that doesn’t offer voice texting either native or through CP/AA. Still no Apple Music, Waze, Google Maps, onX etc. I love my truck but the content of RJ’s precious stack is a total flop.

Just chill. Im sure it’s coming.

 

[R1Tkc]

Appreciate the cadence, but another boring update

 

[Autolycus]

Why stop at 50% charge?

I set mine to 50% when I'm going to be out of town longer than 3-4 days. Plug in, set to 50%, leave plugged in. Mine also charges to some random number between 45-50, stops, drains for a few days, charges again, but maybe that time it will go to 51% before stopping.

I've also had it stop at 69% or 71% when I had it set to charge to 70%.

 

[SANZC02]

Right. The difference is that the existing streaming audio apps already exist. Rivian is already losing money on those because it is paying for the data. And if Rivian suddenly started charging for things we have been getting for free, then the user community would loose their shit.

With Sirius XM, it doesn't exist yet. Rivian has a choice to either:
1) Introduce it now, give it to people for free, and let them increase their cellular usage for free. Then punch them in the gut later and demand payment.
or,
2) Introduce it after Rivian starts charging for premium services, and recover the streaming cost through the premium service connection fee.

From a business point of view, I think it makes sense to stop giving away freebies (and/or having the general user base subsidize a subset of users) and start charging for usage, IF a particular customer wants to use that option.

I understand what you are saying but from a data perspective I currently use Tune-In or Spotify, if they ad XM I will probably start using that instead of the other ones.

How does that change my data usage and what has Rivian given me that adds to their cost beyond what I currently have? Not being argumentative, just do not see where there is any additional cost for data usage at least from my use case.

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