Tesla supercharger test $8 for 7 mins

[CANCERDOC]

THank you - I am new to this. I am thinking in terms of $1/ minute charge - clearly thats not the right way to think about it. If I had to charge for 30 mins or full charge - I'm assuming the cost would be around $30? That's almost like filling a full tank?

No you get charged per kwH and once it stops charging, there might be an idle fee added to that to avoid charger congestion so others can use it.

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[SPITmadFIRE]

I'd like to reiterate a little, it is the same $/mile as a car. Not a large semi luxury suv/pickup truck. People are always making this false comparison. At the time I swapped from my Ram to the Rivian it cost more than $120+ to fill up my truck. For the road trip I take monthly, the cost savings almost pays for the truck payment.

You wouldn't compare a F150 Raptor to a Prius, so why compare the Rivian to a Prius?

Same experience here. Used to own an I4 Bronco and its 22gal tank used to cost us $100+ each way on most roadtrips. Now, I've got more power, more storage, and it only costs about $40 for the same amount of range.

 

[SDH]

Bottom line if you want to save money vs gas you need to charge at home where electricity is cheaper (depending on where you live). DCFC is a luxury and costs more.

This ^

 

[defcon888]

THank you. DO you know any app similar to GasBuddy for Electric chargers that show charging rates?

Most of the charging companies have a monthly plan you can join for a cost. EA is I believe $6.99 or maybe they raised it, RAN chargers are from what I have seen $0.36/kW, Tesla has a $12.99/month plan that takes it to about $0.36/KW. EVGo has a plan as well.

Like most people have said, charging at home is the cheapest way to charge for cheap. Last time we used a public charger was almost a year ago and it cost us about $120 in total charging for the 1200 mile round trip (600 there and 600 back). In aan ICE vehcile it would have been about $200 with gas prices at the time.

When I drive to work, a perk of my employer is free charging.

 

[Galluprivian]

The Tesla charger in Glendale was charging .63/kwh. It ended up being 55 bucks for 87 kwh and it took 55 minutes because they also slowed it down. I'd still use it over EA in most places that I frequent but that's pretty outrageous.

 

[nfrank]

Another great example of how much cheaper electricity is than gas. If I pumped gas for eight solid minutes it would cost, like, $300!

 

[SRO]

Out on the road Supercharging is about the same $/mile as gas. Where you save big time with EVs is charging at home. this is especially true if you have a solar system On your house.

Amen. If you have solar you must get an EV. I average only $50 a month to charge my T in the winter with solar. In the summer it costs about $5 a month. If you are pricing a possible solar installation don’t forget the cost of gasoline that you will save if you get an EV.

 

[SwampNut]

Phoenix area is even more expensive, especially during peak hours.

Where? I've never seen a Phoenix SC for more than that, and usually it's less.

No it isn't. Because there is no set "normal" standard. Most Superchargers and other networks charge different rates throughout the 24-hour cycle. Rates depends on the utility that supply the site*, what the property lease costs to each network and what each network feels it must charge to be profitable.

Tesla does charge non-Tesla customers at a higher rate than non-Teslas. But compared to other networks through out that 24-hour cycle, it's on par with the others. If you're going to be charging at Supercharger often, for more than 100-150 kWh per month, worth becoming a member for $12.99/mo to get the ~20% off.

Plus, if the nearby EA has only 6 chargers and a line of cars waiting to charge. And you're at a TSC with 16+ chargers and no waiting line. Ask yourself, what is your time worth?

*Just like electricity for your home. Peak hours are more expensive. Supply & demand.

Yeah, this right here is gospel. It looks like RAN is the only super-cheap, always-same rate. I've had an EV for many years and all over the Southwest, the rates are all over. Best I've seen is 22 cents between Vegas and Red Rock, worst I've seen is 59 cents in several places. The most typical rates I experience are low to high 40 cents range.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

It looks like RAN is the only super-cheap, always-same rate.

That will probably change with time, once Rivian is able to shift some attention away from the car business to expand RAN into another strong revenue stream, just like TSC.

My home rate in Orange County, CA averages to 40¢/kWh. For all of June (TSC exclusively), including membership cost, it comes to 34¢/kWh. The blanket statement that it's always cheaper charging at home isn't always true.

 

[SwampNut]

The blanket statement that it's always cheaper charging at home isn't always true.

Most people don't know how boned Californians are on their power. I make sure to complain to my brother in CA when our winter rate of 3.1 cents goes up to the astronomical 5.1 cent summer rate.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Most people don't know how boned Californians are on their power. I make sure to complain to my brother in CA when our winter rate of 3.1 cents goes up to the astronomical 5.1 cent summer rate.

It's not terrible in Orange County, yet. LA county is getting robbed by PG&E because of that '21 Dixie Fire settlement (where their poorly maintained power lines triggered a massive fire). So now PG&E is burning the very same customers it literally burnt.

 

[bigsky]

That seems typical for Rivian charging on the Tesla SC network, which apparently costs more, 26% more on average, than it does for a Tesla.
You can pay less for electricity at Teslas SCs if you pay Tesla the monthly membership fee. For me, paying a membership to get a lower price makes no sense because I will use Teslas SCs only very few times when on vacation.

Here is something to put the cost of electricity at fast chargers in perspective compared to the price of gasoline. In terms of energy equivalent and considering the energy content of one gallon of gasoline, what you paid amounts to an ICE driver paying $17.40 for a gallon of gas!!!

Oh, yes. In my view, the price of electricity at fast chargers is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on mankind.

 

[bigsky]

5.1 cents per kWh, and in the summer!!??

 

[SwampNut]

5.1 cents per kWh, and in the summer!!??

Yes, that's the non-peak rate. Our peak rate is 9.1 or so, from 4pm-7pm on weekdays, otherwise it's 5.1. And during winter we have a super-off-peak rate of 3.1:

• Super off-peak hours provide the lowest off-peak energy rates during winter months (Nov–Apr bills), 10am–3pm weekdays (excluding off-peak holidays).

So the math on the EV savings is simply insane. My neighbor who drives a lot basically has a free car; the payment is less than the savings.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

That seems typical for Rivian charging on the Tesla SC network, which apparently costs more, 26% more on average, than it does for a Tesla.
You can pay less for electricity at Teslas SCs if you pay Tesla the monthly membership fee. For me, paying a membership to get a lower price makes no sense because I will use Teslas SCs only very few times when on vacation.

Here is something to put the cost of electricity at fast chargers in perspective compared to the price of gasoline. In terms of energy equivalent and considering the energy content of one gallon of gasoline, what you paid amounts to an ICE driver paying $17.40 for a gallon of gas!!!

Oh, yes. In my view, the price of electricity at fast chargers is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on mankind.

Scam? The networks don't own the real estate the stations are located on. The networks don't produce the electricity that supply power to said stations. Construction, operation and maintenance of the stations is not free.

If you were the property owner, an employee of the electric company, a construction worker, a employee of the charging network, or a maintenance tech/electrician... You would say "no" to being paid? Getting paid for providing something is how this economy works. Plus, different utilities/businesses in different regions have different operating costs. Just because one has lower rates than another doesn't automatically mean there is fraud going on. PG&E passing cost of settlement to its customers, as unjust as it is, is their way of dealing with operating cost.

This country/culture needs to be more fact-based and less emotional about things.

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