Another one bites the dust: Good bye Rivian, for now...

[White Shadow]

Stellantis and Tavares are a disaster. What they've done to the Jeep, Dodge and Ram brand is nothing short of criminal. Whether you're into EVs or not, as an American citizen, it is sad to see. On the bright side, i still think Jeep is a killer brand. And like Rivian, if you're lucky and get a good build, you have a great vehicle. At least they have a dealer network with in my specific case a dealer that treats me like royalty right around the corner

I'm on my third Jeep in a row. All three have been 100% reliable, zero issues with any of them. Never once returned to the dealer for anything. So maybe I'm just lucky or maybe Jeep isn't as bad as some people think. Either way, I wouldn't''t hesitate to buy another Jeep. Then again, reliability data has never swayed my decision to buy any vehicle. I simply don't care about that and instead choose to buy what I like instead.

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[R1Tom]

I'm on my third Jeep in a row. All three have been 100% reliable, zero issues with any of them. Never once returned to the dealer for anything. So maybe I'm just lucky or maybe Jeep isn't as bad as some people think. Either way, I wouldn't''t hesitate to buy another Jeep. Then again, reliability data has never swayed my decision to buy any vehicle. I simply don't care about that and instead choose to buy what I like instead.

Between my wife and daughters we have 3 JL Wranglers. Only one has ever been back to dealer and it was for a recall for steering damper for less death wobble...which it didn't exhibit in first place.

 

[Jonger1150]

Between my wife and daughters we have 3 JL Wranglers. Only one has ever been back to dealer and it was for a recall for steering damper for less death wobble...which it didn't exhibit in first place.

It's a long long long held design, I'd guess they got all the bugs out of it by now. The Rivian has suspension noise due to trying to have the best suspension on earth for their first vehicle. That was a tall task and it's clearly not 100% ready for prime time. If they solve the noisy half-shafts before June 2027, I'll buy out the lease. If there is no fix for the half-shaft chatter, I'll trade it in. I'm sure my next vehicle will already be narrowed down by then.

 

[R1Tom]

It's a long long long held design, I'd guess they got all the bugs out of it by now. The Rivian has suspension noise due to trying to have the best suspension on earth for their first vehicle. That was a tall task and it's clearly not 100% ready for prime time. If they solve the noisy half-shafts before June 2027, I'll buy out the lease. If there is no fix for the half-shaft chatter, I'll trade it in. I'm sure my next vehicle will already be narrowed down by then.

True...but one of mine is a very early JL...and it has 55k on it...and is the only one that ever went back....for a steering damper.

I get it...building a complex BEV is novel. But body panel alignment, steering alignment, painting vehicles, attaching plastic cladding, etc...are all not novel and after this long since Job 1.....that should be perfected by now. To not perfect or bear perfect...is a choice. A calculated choice.

 

[White Shadow]

Long distance towing, that's the only advantage an ICE has. They suck at everything else.

EDIT: They're also better at emitting copious amounts of co2.

Long distance towing is the only advantage? What about long distance driving in general, when not towing? That's one of the things holding me back from going EV. I can see myself getting a Rivian for commuting & around town driving, but I'm still not sold on long distance driving even with a dual motor with the largest battery. I mean, 400 miles seems decent on paper, but in reality I'm probably looking at less than 300 miles on a highway road trip when I factor in highway driving, general conditions, any adverse whether or winter driving, elevation changes, using 70% of the battery (you know, 10% - 80%), etc. That's a big downgrade from the 500+ real world miles I can get with my current SUV. Plus, I don't want to give up all the luxury and creature comforts, so I'm hoping that Rivian (or most likely someone else at this point) builds an electric SUV that truly has it all, including killer range. And yeah, towing does matter to me since I often pull a small boat or a trailer with snowmobiles or quads. I do like what GM is doing with their massive battery packs in their fullsize trucks, but I'm avoiding trucks and especially fullsize vehicles in general. I want to stay in the realm of midsize instead.

 

[Jonger1150]

Long distance towing is the only advantage? What about long distance driving in general, when not towing? That's one of the things holding me back from going EV. I can see myself getting a Rivian for commuting & around town driving, but I'm still not sold on long distance driving even with a dual motor with the largest battery. I mean, 400 miles seems decent on paper, but in reality I'm probably looking at less than 300 miles on a highway road trip when I factor in highway driving, general conditions, any adverse whether or winter driving, elevation changes, using 70% of the battery (you know, 10% - 80%), etc. That's a big downgrade from the 500+ real world miles I can get with my current SUV. Plus, I don't want to give up all the luxury and creature comforts, so I'm hoping that Rivian (or most likely someone else at this point) builds an electric SUV that truly has it all, including killer range. And yeah, towing does matter to me since I often pull a small boat or a trailer with snowmobiles or quads. I do like what GM is doing with their massive battery packs in their fullsize trucks, but I'm avoiding trucks and especially fullsize vehicles in general. I want to stay in the realm of midsize instead.

Why do you even post here?

I'm not even reading this fully, but I see it's all about range with you.

My Rivian spends 99% of it's life between 40 - 70%. I enjoy fast, smooth, low carbon rides. You'll never sell me on any perks of ICE ownership. ICE vehicles are slow, loud and just miserable.

You need to focus on home ownership before worrying about anything else. If you do own a home and you still maintain the position above, you're just a troll who doesn't own a Rivian.

 

[Jonger1150]

True...but one of mine is a very early JL...and it has 55k on it...and is the only one that ever went back....for a steering damper.

I get it...building a complex BEV is novel. But body panel alignment, steering alignment, painting vehicles, attaching plastic cladding, etc...are all not novel and after this long since Job 1.....that should be perfected by now. To not perfect or bear perfect...is a choice. A calculated choice.

I might have been lucky, since I don't have any other issues. 9 out of 10 posts I make on this forum is related to the half-shaft situation. That's my soup of the day right now.

 

[strykerwsu]

Unfortunately we all bought one of the worst vehicles for reliability according to many studies. To top it off , we have to wait 3+ months to have all these issues addressed. It’s just not sustainable. I’d say there would be a lot more of these posts if we wouldn’t lose our asses on resale value. Good luck with your wagoneer

Please ensure to include both of mine in your studies. With over 2 years and 25k miles with only 1 service visit (R1S washer spray line pinched) that fix was completed in my garage.

Sorry to hear your experience has been much worse than mine.

 

[joesimonsen]

Long distance towing is the only advantage? What about long distance driving in general, when not towing? That's one of the things holding me back from going EV. I can see myself getting a Rivian for commuting & around town driving, but I'm still not sold on long distance driving even with a dual motor with the largest battery. I mean, 400 miles seems decent on paper, but in reality I'm probably looking at less than 300 miles on a highway road trip when I factor in highway driving, general conditions, any adverse whether or winter driving, elevation changes, using 70% of the battery (you know, 10% - 80%), etc. That's a big downgrade from the 500+ real world miles I can get with my current SUV. Plus, I don't want to give up all the luxury and creature comforts, so I'm hoping that Rivian (or most likely someone else at this point) builds an electric SUV that truly has it all, including killer range. And yeah, towing does matter to me since I often pull a small boat or a trailer with snowmobiles or quads. I do like what GM is doing with their massive battery packs in their fullsize trucks, but I'm avoiding trucks and especially fullsize vehicles in general. I want to stay in the realm of midsize instead.

I have the r1s large pack with 351 miles of stated range. I drove from my house to Mt. Shasta where teh RAN charger is on a single charge and arrived with around 60 miles of range left. So 255 miles of driving on google maps and 60 miles of range left. This was almost 4 hours of driving too so from my experience the range issue just didn't exist on a road trip when the infra structure was there. I get the worry people have for sure, I really over thought this trip myself planning out every charging stop. Finally doing it I realized there are chargers everywhere on the west coast and even a fast 15 minute stop to use the bathroom is enough time to keep the range topped up. I did a few stops like this where I just plugged in and ran into the bathroom and to grab a drink and came back to another 50, 60 or 70 miles of range.

I'd just say the experience is different more than anything. I wouldn't say its that much harder or easier honestly. It was different.

 

[Jonger1150]

Please ensure to include both of mine in your studies. With over 2 years and 25k miles with only 1 service visit (R1S washer spray line pinched) that fix was completed in my garage.

Sorry to hear your experience has been much worse than mine.

There's a few publications who have Rivian and Tesla listed as problematic vehicles. Much of this is attributed to OTA updates. Usually this is brought up by ICE fanboys to make EVs look bad.

 

[NY_Rob]

Whatever happened to "to each his own"? You post something positive about an ICE vehicle and you're a troll? Can't we do better than that?

 

[strykerwsu]

Long distance towing is the only advantage? What about long distance driving in general, when not towing? That's one of the things holding me back from going EV. I can see myself getting a Rivian for commuting & around town driving, but I'm still not sold on long distance driving even with a dual motor with the largest battery. I mean, 400 miles seems decent on paper, but in reality I'm probably looking at less than 300 miles on a highway road trip when I factor in highway driving, general conditions, any adverse whether or winter driving, elevation changes, using 70% of the battery (you know, 10% - 80%), etc. That's a big downgrade from the 500+ real world miles I can get with my current SUV. Plus, I don't want to give up all the luxury and creature comforts, so I'm hoping that Rivian (or most likely someone else at this point) builds an electric SUV that truly has it all, including killer range. And yeah, towing does matter to me since I often pull a small boat or a trailer with snowmobiles or quads. I do like what GM is doing with their massive battery packs in their fullsize trucks, but I'm avoiding trucks and especially fullsize vehicles in general. I want to stay in the realm of midsize instead.

Jump in on EV, you'll never go back. I agree towing is only negative and GM takes care of that. Trips are actually improved, at least for those of us over 35. Spending 25 min to relax, get food, go to bathroom, and then take a 10 minute walk. Arrive at a destination and actually feel awake when getting there.

I'm now 4/6 EVs in the family, with my 2 ICE being awesome vehicles and I never want to drive them.

 

[Jonger1150]

Whatever happened to "to each his own"? You post something positive about an ICE vehicle and you're a troll? Can't we do better than that?

Why do you think EVs are being developed right now?

 

[Redline]

Why do you even post here?

I'm not even reading this fully, but I see it's all about range with you.

My Rivian spends 99% of it's life between 40 - 70%. I enjoy fast, smooth, low carbon rides. You'll never sell me on any perks of ICE ownership. ICE vehicles are slow, loud and just miserable.

You need to focus on home ownership before worrying about anything else. If you do own a home and you still maintain the position above, you're just a troll who doesn't own a Rivian.

So weird that we have people without Rivian's constantly filling this board with garbage.

 

[strykerwsu]

Whatever happened to "to each his own"? You post something positive about an ICE vehicle and you're a troll? Can't we do better than that?

It's the audience. When I posted my headers for my LS3 in the back of my R1T I got a lot of frowns lol.

I have a love for both, but as my other post notes it has to be a really special ICE vehicle for me now. Your Jeep qualifies similar to my Bronco.

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