RJ Demonstrates Autonomous Hands-Free Driving Aids

[TomServo2112]

I know the gen 2 R1T/R1S has more cameras that allow it to do more than the gen 1. I would be "satisfied" with a more hands-off self-driving approach. The current version is very annoying because it reminds you every few seconds to touch the steering wheel. I know eyes-off for the gen 1 is not going to happen (I'm not sure I'm ready for eyes-off anyway), but will the gen 1 get hands-off during a future OTA update?

My Gen 2 just got the latest update yesterday, and honestly, if that's as far as Enhanced Driver+ gets, I will be more than satisfied. I'm just hoping they add more highways to their database since the "RED ALERT! TAKE OVER DRIVING NOW!" warnings can be a bit abrupt. ?

I will not trust my $100k vehicle an my life on a $5.00 silicon chip. A system is only as smart as the weakest part of the system.

I work in the bay area (close to Rivian's HQ) and the traffic in the bay area is horrible.....we are talking 1.5 hours to go 12 milesduring rush hour.

I hate to say it, but, on spec, the weakest part of the system is us, the drivers. We're the ones that cause the majority of accidents most others get into.

Stop & go traffic, to me, is where an active cruise control is a no brainer. It's low-speed, the radar (and/or cameras) kick in and I just float forward or slow down. Otherwise, flat-out on the I-15 from Vegas to Utah, for example, is another easy test. Where I lose a bit of confidence is at speed on any highways that regularly have curves. I agree with your assessment that long periods of time without hands on wheel can make the moment where you *need* to a bit more jarring.

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[CO-rayman]

After driving my daughters Tesla model Y with the latest FSD, let's say I wouldn't buy another Rivian if the self-driving was a factor.

Having said that, I would never trade in my R1T for any Tesla, especially with access to Tesla's supercharger network ?

I am hoping Rivian continues to focus on what they are good at instead of reinventing the wheel.

 

[rhumbliner]

After driving my daughters Tesla model Y with the latest FSD, let's say I wouldn't buy another Rivian if the self-driving was a factor.

Having said that, I would never trade in my R1T for any Tesla, especially with access to Tesla's supercharger network ?

I am hoping Rivian continues to focus on what they are good at instead of reinventing the wheel.

Ditto. I use FSD on my Model X all the time — for highway and city driving and it’s truly amazing.

But I use my R1T for towing my AS and I know there will be no ADAS of any type available in the near future while towing a trailer. Just too many more variables. So I’m happy with my R1T just as it is.

 

[pamalabama]

Do you have any facts about this? I'm talking about this latest update. Is Rivian still using Mobieye? In the video, they clearly stated that, in fact, they have been developing this AI tech for a while now.

All you have to do is cover up your camera in the center. The single camera that belongs to mobileye. If driving does not work then rivian is lying.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

All you have to do is cover up your camera in the center. The single camera that belongs to mobileye. If driving does not work then rivian is lying.

Not necessarily. For all we know it's Rivian's system and Mobileye works concurrently as a back check safety. That would mean you'd still need Mobileye functional but could be running Rivian's stack. Unless you can decypher it in the code you cannot declare this with any certainty.

 

[CarGuyCarl]

Everyone's arguing about this or that, auto steering this, driverless that, and all I can think about is how much I wish for regular dumb cruise control being an option in the setting somewhere.

I understand that since everyone is doing it, Rivian has to do it. But I think I'm one of the few that has ZERO desire for a driverless system in any car. It's so far away from reality, let alone being trustworthy (for me) that I have zero interest in it. One phantom braking or odd steering event is enough for me to lose all trust, and then stop system use completely. This ruined Tesla autopilot/FSD in the past, and the R1s can perform similar weird things on occasion.

Sorry to go off topic, but godspeed on your quests for Rivian autonomy with either gen.

 

[NowOrNever]

I don't know how long it will take, but someone will get self-driving to the masses. There are too many aging baby boomers who will need it to ignore it. And lots of Gen Zers who are not interested in driving at all. I don't need it now, but at some point...

 

[s4wrxttcs]

not a key point because rivian has the "full stack" in terms of their own compute (nvidia)

That's not what they are using here. In fact they are using a mobileye camera and computer which will not even be used for rivian's own driving in the future.

What rivian is doing is passing off Mobileye technology as their own and promising future upgrades on this technology, when in fact the Mobileye product is EOL and in some ways like tesla, the new product might be a step backward

What's funny about this is its the same stunt Tesla tried to pull when they went from MobileEye to their own stack. They wanted to have both modules running in the vehicle at the same time.

I believe it was running on NVidia at the time as they didn't have their own ASIC.

MobileEye caught wind of it and told them absolutely not.

So Tesla was forced to bring up their own stack way more quickly than they anticipated. It also sucked for years.

This happened around the 2016 model year. I didn't buy until 2018 and even then HW 2.5 was WORSE than HW1 (mobileeye)

It didn't started to get better to 2020 or so. At least in my opinion.

So at least Rivian can slowly bring up their own stack.

 

[iansriv]

Hands free driving should be an option so that those that want it can get it and those that don't, dont. I'm good either way but only use what's available on my G1 R1S on bumper-to-bumper traffic and if i'm on a sparse highway. I don't use it in the city with heavy traffic.

 

[pamalabama]

What's funny about this is its the same stunt Tesla tried to pull when they went from MobileEye to their own stack. They wanted to have both modules running in the vehicle at the same time.

I believe it was running on NVidia at the time as they didn't have their own ASIC.

MobileEye caught wind of it and told them absolutely not.

So Tesla was forced to bring up their own stack way more quickly than they anticipated. It also sucked for years.

This happened around the 2016 model year. I didn't buy until 2018 and even then HW 2.5 was WORSE than HW1 (mobileeye)

It didn't started to get better to 2020 or so. At least in my opinion.

So at least Rivian can slowly bring up their own stack.

Tesla switched from mobileye simply because they were pushing the limits of safety and mobileye did not like it. I don't think they ever ran both

 

[pamalabama]

ill need Mobileye functional but could be running Rivian's stack. Unless you can decypher it in the code you cannot d

there is zero chance that's how it works

 

[Donald Stanfield]

there is zero chance that's how it works

Because you wrote the code? Have access to it? Can you verify it? If not, don't speak definitively about something you don't know.

 

[pamalabama]

Because you wrote the code? Have access to it? Can you verify it? If not, don't speak definitively about something you don't know.

because it doesn't sound remotely possible for rivian to do something like that. Using Mobileye as a safety fallback? really? About the most ludicrous thing I've heard all day. If Mobileye is the safety fallback why not just use Mobileye since it is safer? That's right.

 

[pamalabama]

It's simple really. Cover rivian's system. If driving still works then rivian's system is not in use.

Cover mobileye's system. If driving does not work then they are still using mobileye. That simple

 

[Donald Stanfield]

because it doesn't sound remotely possible for rivian to do something like that. Using Mobileye as a safety fallback? really? About the most ludicrous thing I've heard all day. If Mobileye is the safety fallback why not just use Mobileye since it is safer? That's right.

WOW, you've never heard of redundancy in systems? Aircraft use two or more independent sensors to verify the data quality to make decisions. Steering by wire is similar to what I understand. There's precedence for this in other areas; I don't see why it would be so outlandish for Rivian's software to ensure it agrees with Mobileye before making a decision.

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