Worth Upgrading to Gen 2?

[shembree]

There are a bunch of threads on this, including one I did. It can be addressed. The Gen2's I drove had it is as well, not as bad as my truck did originally, but still very noticeable and would give me pause about upgrading as well.

I saw you are in Austin, if you make it up to Dallas anytime soon, let me know and I'll walk you through in person what I did to mitigate the noise with my truck. There can be several sources depending on the individual vehicle. In most cases, you can make significant gains.

That would be great. Can you point me to the wind noise fix thread? I have read several, but the noise seems to be more from the mirror than the seal, but I'm willing to try anything at this point. I also may take you up on a visit the next time in DFW...

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[MidnightRivian]

The wind noise in my Gen 1 is unbelievable. It has been to Service twice, and they were able to very slightly improve it, but it is still extremely loud. This may be a stupid reason to spend $30k more, but honestly I think it may be worth it. I love everything else about the truck-very few complaints.

I had wind noise issues early on for my R1S and the DFW SC did a solid job getting rid of all the noise concerns I had from wind.

I still have one buzz that I need to figure out and tighten down.

Would you consider making an appointment with the DFW SC and speak to the service manager about your concerns. Let them review the tickets and work done to see if they can help improve your issue.

They will get you a loaner for sure but I am not sure if you are willing to make the drive if Austin SC is not getting your wind noise concerns resolved.

I would do that before I reserve a new vehicle.

 

[MidnightRivian]

There are a bunch of threads on this, including one I did. It can be addressed. The Gen2's I drove had it is as well, not as bad as my truck did originally, but still very noticeable and would give me pause about upgrading as well.

I saw you are in Austin, if you make it up to Dallas anytime soon, let me know and I'll walk you through in person what I did to mitigate the noise with my truck. There can be several sources depending on the individual vehicle. In most cases, you can make significant gains.

That would be great. Can you point me to the wind noise fix thread? I have read several, but the noise seems to be more from the mirror than the seal, but I'm willing to try anything at this point. I also may take you up on a visit the next time in DFW...

@shembree definitely take @DayTripping offer to show you the main areas to focus on and the fix it takes to resolve it.

Wind issues can be easily reduced to an acceptable level if you know which areas to tackle first based on your specific vehicle.

 

[DayTripping]

That would be great. Can you point me to the wind noise fix thread? I have read several, but the noise seems to be more from the mirror than the seal, but I'm willing to try anything at this point. I also may take you up on a visit the next time in DFW...

Here you go. Let me know when in the area and we troubleshoot it. Glad to hop on a call and talk through it as well. I was ready to sell my truck as well. You can see my progress with readings from my apple watch's sound meter. Not absolutely accurate but good for reference.

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...e-thread-what-has-worked-so-far-for-me.43009/

 

[mpshizzle]

I would not after seeing this...

Please keep in mind that Kyle hyper fixates on details when he's in front of the camera. Remember this is the guy who made several videos RAILING on Gen 2 charging, to the point that potential customers were turning away. Then suddenly when he w.anted to buy a Gen 2, he made a new video with his true thoughts, talking about how Rivian is the best all around vehicle you can purchase.

I've learned from Kyle if he makes an issue sound like 10/10 severity, it's probably actually about a 3/10. He gets into the nerdy details which I love. And which is why I continue to watch. But I know if I'm looking for an unbiased take, it's not him.

I've got 15k miles on my gen 2 dual max and a few thoughts I have:

1) Charging performance has not left me disappointed. I've not been super impressed, but it's not like it charges POORLY. He's just mad because he wanted a significant update, and there wasn't one

2) with regard to the instability of the handling I think something is wrong with his vehicle. I've never felt the vehicle is scary or unstable. Suspension is not "luxury" but it's not uncomfortable or scary

I've had lots of seat time in both generations and honestly they feel VERY VERY similar. Gen 2 has some subtle upgrades that make it feel better in some meaningful ways, but an R1 is an R1.

 

[André]

Please keep in mind that Kyle hyper fixates on details when he's in front of the camera. Remember this is the guy who made several videos RAILING on Gen 2 charging, to the point that potential customers were turning away. Then suddenly when he w.anted to buy a Gen 2, he made a new video with his true thoughts, talking about how Rivian is the best all around vehicle you can purchase.

I've learned from Kyle if he makes an issue sound like 10/10 severity, it's probably actually about a 3/10. He gets into the nerdy details which I love. And which is why I continue to watch. But I know if I'm looking for an unbiased take, it's not him.

I've got 15k miles on my gen 2 dual max and a few thoughts I have:

1) Charging performance has not left me disappointed. I've not been super impressed, but it's not like it charges POORLY. He's just mad because he wanted a significant update, and there wasn't one

2) with regard to the instability of the handling I think something is wrong with his vehicle. I've never felt the vehicle is scary or unstable. Suspension is not "luxury" but it's not uncomfortable or scary

I've had lots of seat time in both generations and honestly they feel VERY VERY similar. Gen 2 has some subtle upgrades that make it feel better in some meaningful ways, but an R1 is an R1.

Don’t get me wrong… I am sure the Gen 2 are great trucks. But is it really an upgrade big enough to trade a Gen 1 ? Sure charging is not that bad but clearly not an improvement. Overall, he sounds like he doesn’t want to hurt Rivian as he love them as we all do, but he would rather stick to his Gen 1 R1T.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

For me, I'm happier with my Gen 2 over my Gen 1, and the upgrade was worth the money. The biggest features in order of importance to me are; the ADAS features, the adaptive headlights, the rear power bias/torque of the tri over the quad, and the interior upgrades on the Ascend interior.

The Gen 2 cameras and driver assistance suite are superior to Gen 1, and the hands-free driving works well and is a big help on long trips. You can get a Comma for the Gen 1, but it doesn't have lane change, and that feature also helps over long travel distances.

I live in a rural area, so the adaptive headlights illuminate both ditches even with a car in front of you. This doesn't seem like a major difference on its face, but there are lots of deer around here, and I can more reliably spot them even with the sort of traffic I'm likely to deal with where I live.

The tri is a bit more fun to drive than the Gen 1 quad. Rivian did an excellent job on the Gen 1, which is extremely friendly to drive. The tri has more torque and feels more reckless. It's not a ton faster by the numbers, but it feels much faster. My wife has an i4M50, and it felt faster than my Gen 1; it doesn't feel faster than my tri.

The interior of the tri, at least mine, is the slate sky Ascend interior. I like the Gen 1 interior, but it seemed 80% there. The Ascend interior is 100% of the way there. I genuinely appreciate the interior cabin of my vehicle and Rivian's designers have nailed that classy feel without going overboard into gauche as some of their competitors have done,:: cough cough:: Cadillac.

 

[waitingonanr1s]

Nope, it's more of a lateral move than an upgrade. It's not worth the $25-40K penalty

Maybe - depends on how far they actually are able to push this hardware on the autonomy platform and what you personally value about the vehicle. The launch of hands-free assisted driving is what has pushed me over the edge. It shows me they are going to back up that platform with deliberate and continual improvements which Gen 1 just can't receive due to hardware limitations. (supposedly eyes free driving by 2026, expansion of the network to more highways, etc.)

It's a $27,000 MSRP increase for me to upgrade to Gen 2, but I've also only lost ~4,800 in depreciation (over 20 months) comparing the net cost of the vehicle after tax credits to the value Rivian is offering plus the $3,000 incentive. The technology improvements beginning to become real combined with the real value provided by the pricing in the Dune Edition (allows me to get into a Tri-motor for the same price as a similarly equipped Dual Max spec'ed as I'd like it to make the upgrade worth it. But I can't get past the loss of power and performance from my Gen 1 QM, to justify moving into a dual max).

There's also real changes in the Dune edition that I value - specifically the easier to clean floor surface as the owner of 2 dogs. I also really like the limited edition 2 tone material, and of course the other changes are great as well - but not driving my decision by any means.

So all of this, combined with the additional lease incentive, a $3,500 CO tax credit, and the Speaker of the House recently confirming that the EV credit's days are numbered if he gets his way, has pushed me over the hump to upgrade. Probably 2 weeks out from delivery still - but I'm just as excited as the first time I took delivery!

I'm willing to take the risk that Rivian is going to delight me with some pretty spectacular updates over the next 3 years (as it has over the past 20 months). It's worth the penalty to me to move over to the lease. I'll decide at year 2 based on vehicle history, mileage (I have a 15,000 mi per yr lease, which should be good for me - I pretty much just do road trips but drive very little working from home), and the market at that time. I think it's a crap shoot whether the value will end up higher or lower than residual (especially with the tariff uncertainty), but at year 2 I should have a better idea - that's the benefit of the lease.

It also helps that since I also have $25k of equity in the car - the switch over to a lease should reduce my payments by $300 per months. Verdict is still out on what the lease terms come back as though... They've agreed to allow me to get a refund of my deposit if it comes in over $100 more per month than they quoted, although realistically I'll move forward with any material reduction in my monthly payments.

 

[DayTripping]

Hope it works out for you. The more I use Comma.Ai with Gen 1, the more I could care less about what Rivian does with ADAS.

Using Sunnypilot and MADS, is a game changer. Cooperative steering is a hug plus as well. I have total hands free and works almost anywhere, not just pre-mapped roads. Comma does stuff now that makes it far better for me than ADAS will do in the near future, if ever. The only thing out there that I've tried better for how I use my truck with respect to autonomous driving is FSD. It sill doesn't offer anything like MADS or cooperative steering. I've driver almost 3k miles now with Comma and it is the #1 reason I've haven't sold my truck. Number 2 is I've gotten a handle on the damn wind noise.

LIke you, I'd never go from a quad to a dual max. Just too slow and I'd give up one of the things I love about my quad; torque vectoring.

Enjoy your new truck when you get it!

 

[waitingonanr1s]

I had a loaner just recently, same exact spec as mine (build date 3 months later) except it still had the original Pirelli Scorpions. My god, they're loud compared to the Nokians I upgraded to. I thought it was just an end of life difference between the two when I swapped them off, but the ones on the loaner had plenty of tread.

Also my truck has had the jounce line swap, so driving the loaner was a huge reminder of how good my R1T has become as a result both in terms of noise, and overall handling.

I was telling them about how bad they are for road noise. The biggest downside of the Dune edition is you have to take delivery with those tires. I wish they'd just give me the Goodyear Wranglers instead, but they can't sub them out. That's what I switched to on my Gen 1. That's why they offered the free wall charger.

 

[waitingonanr1s]

Hope it works out for you. The more I use Comma.Ai with Gen 1, the more I could care less about what Rivian does with ADAS.

Using Sunnypilot and MADS, is a game changer. Cooperative steering is a hug plus as well. I have total hands free and works almost anywhere, not just pre-mapped roads. Comma does stuff now that makes it far better for me than ADAS will do in the near future, if ever. The only thing out there that I've tried better for how I use my truck with respect to autonomous driving is FSD. It sill doesn't offer anything like MADS or cooperative steering. I've driver almost 3k miles now with Comma and it is the #1 reason I've haven't sold my truck. Number 2 is I've gotten a handle on the damn wind noise.

LIke you, I'd never go from a quad to a dual max. Just too slow and I'd give up one of the things I love about my quad; torque vectoring.

Enjoy your new truck when you get it!

Yeah, Comma is a valid option that would likely satisfy me just as well (maybe better). I'll probably look at it more closely if the deal on the Dune falls through (which they seem determined to keep from happening)..

 

[narmstrong79]

Maybe - depends on how far they actually are able to push this hardware on the autonomy platform and what you personally value about the vehicle. The launch of hands-free assisted driving is what has pushed me over the edge. It shows me they are going to back up that platform with deliberate and continual improvements which Gen 1 just can't receive due to hardware limitations. (supposedly eyes free driving by 2026, expansion of the network to more highways, etc.)

It's a $27,000 MSRP increase for me to upgrade to Gen 2, but I've also only lost ~4,800 in depreciation (over 20 months) comparing the net cost of the vehicle after tax credits to the value Rivian is offering plus the $3,000 incentive. The technology improvements beginning to become real combined with the real value provided by the pricing in the Dune Edition (allows me to get into a Tri-motor for the same price as a similarly equipped Dual Max spec'ed as I'd like it to make the upgrade worth it. But I can't get past the loss of power and performance from my Gen 1 QM, to justify moving into a dual max).

There's also real changes in the Dune edition that I value - specifically the easier to clean floor surface as the owner of 2 dogs. I also really like the limited edition 2 tone material, and of course the other changes are great as well - but not driving my decision by any means.

So all of this, combined with the additional lease incentive, a $3,500 CO tax credit, and the Speaker of the House recently confirming that the EV credit's days are numbered if he gets his way, has pushed me over the hump to upgrade. Probably 2 weeks out from delivery still - but I'm just as excited as the first time I took delivery!

I'm willing to take the risk that Rivian is going to delight me with some pretty spectacular updates over the next 3 years (as it has over the past 20 months). It's worth the penalty to me to move over to the lease. I'll decide at year 2 based on vehicle history, mileage (I have a 15,000 mi per yr lease, which should be good for me - I pretty much just do road trips but drive very little working from home), and the market at that time. I think it's a crap shoot whether the value will end up higher or lower than residual (especially with the tariff uncertainty), but at year 2 I should have a better idea - that's the benefit of the lease.

It also helps that since I also have $25k of equity in the car - the switch over to a lease should reduce my payments by $300 per months. Verdict is still out on what the lease terms come back as though... They've agreed to allow me to get a refund of my deposit if it comes in over $100 more per month than they quoted, although realistically I'll move forward with any material reduction in my monthly payments.

I'd rather spend the $1k for Comm_Ai on my Gen 1. Which I might actually do.



Leasing isn't available in my state. I bought my Gen 1 dual performance for $73k, an equal build Gen 2 would be $96k and really the only "upgrade" is the promise of autonomy with a subscription and better cameras... The trade in offer from. Rivian was $70k.....Not worth it to me.

 

[Jonger1150]

Not worth it to me but I’m waiting for more significant drivetrain upgrades. Like 800V, faster charging ,and dare I say solid state batteries.

800V, NACS, lighter.....

That's my minimal for upgrading.

 

[waitingonanr1s]

I'd rather spend the $1k for Comm_Ai on my Gen 1. Which I might actually do.



Leasing isn't available in my state. I bought my Gen 1 dual performance for $73k, an equal build Gen 2 would be $96k and really the only "upgrade" is the promise of autonomy with a subscription and better cameras... The trade in offer from. Rivian was $70k.....Not worth it to me.

That's valid. I wouldn't be doing it without being able to lease with the additional 7,500 tax credit benefit. It makes the math much harder to justify without it.

 

[emoore]

800V, NACS, lighter.....

That's my minimal for upgrading.

Meh. Don’t care about using an adapter. I’d upgrade for 800V but it seems like that will be a while for Rivian.

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