R2 Wheels Options, Tire Sizes, Width, Offset - Hub Bore Size - 19" and 20"

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Adding the choice of AS vs AT tires on the 20" wheel option does not degrade the higher trim higher profit margin.

Not if their market data shows more people would want AT over a 20" AS. Argue all they want. They made their decisions for a reason. Have you seen their market research? No? The end. Want AS? get it yourself on your own time. Simple problem. Simple solution.

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[the.phd]

Adding the choice of AS vs AT tires on the 20" wheel option does not degrade the higher trim higher profit margin of the Performance trim.

Don't waste your time on him. I have him blocked and I have yet to see a response from him that isn't condescending when I unhide his responses.

 

[windblowlc]

...20" option for Performance/LE come stock with slightly larger 255/65R20 BFG Trail Terrain T/A AS/AT hybrid and a reduction in range.

Where did you get this info from? It's not accurate. It's been reported 20" LE/performance are 255/60R20.

Since the Premium trim comes standard with 20" all season tires, I don't understand why the Performance trim's option for the 20" wheels wouldn't include an option for the all season tire in addition to the option for the all-terrain tire.

I agree. They should give buyers the choice to choose which tires to get!

Adding the choice of AS vs AT tires on the 20" wheel option does not degrade the higher trim higher profit margin of the Performance trim.

True!

Not if their market data shows more people would want AT over a 20" AS. Argue all they want. They made their decisions for a reason. Have you seen their market research? No? The end. Want AS? get it yourself on your own time. Simple problem. Simple solution.

Have you seen their market research? No?

Business decision and profits. High trim has higher profit margin. And they know there is a subset of potential customers who want the most performance, the most "adventure" capability, and the most aesthetic appearance they can buy.

ALL automakers do this. Nothing new.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Profit margin has nothing to do with giving buyers choices. In fact, Rivian would make more profit by letting buyers choose no-cost AS tires as they're most likely cheaper for Rivian to build. Last but not least, not all automakers do this (give buyers no choice) - I know at least a few... Porsche let you choose between AS or summer tires for the same performance wheels. I know BMW do this as well.

 

[rfkxyz]

So I won't be able to use my compact spare, that stinks.

What's the story w/ optional compact spare tire? Where is it carried? In/out of sight? Hopefully well-secured wherever it is?

 

[rfkxyz]

All the tires are 32". They look pretty tight, but you might be able to size up a touch without much issue. I'm planning on trying to size up, but it might require lifting the vehicle.

Can you speculate about what a sweet spot for a mild lift might be? Really just for higher hip point, entry/exit, etc. Maybe 1-2"? Not for larger tires so don't want to bump it up too much.

I have brain lock for suspension geometry so no clue what trickle-down implications might be. Is this something your typical service center might be wiling to take on?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Can you speculate about what a sweet spot for a mild lift might be? Really just for higher hip point, entry/exit, etc. Maybe 1-2"? Not for larger tires so don't want to bump it up too much.

I have brain lock for suspension geometry so no clue what trickle-down implications might be. Is this something your typical service center might be wiling to take on?

The only way I could see the service center getting involved is if it were a package Rivian sells. I could actually see this happening with the Rivian Adventure Department being a thing now though.

Changing anything in the suspension usually means it's going to cause bushings, ball joints, and CV joints to wear out faster, since they likely aren't designed to be at those different angles for their lifetime.

If you have the expectation that Rivian will fix suspension related issues after you've made modifications, I think you'll end up being disappointed. People will argue Magnuson-Moss until they are blue in the face, but you'd probably lose in court because the changes in geometry are easy to prove that they've caused problems.

 

[sparked]

What's the story w/ optional compact spare tire? Where is it carried? In/out of sight? Hopefully well-secured wherever it is?

There appears to be recess in the subtrunk that's designed to fit the compact spare. Slightly molded in. I think it was shown in one of the recent Austin walk-around videos on Youtube with the Normal pre-production vehicles.

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

What's the story w/ optional compact spare tire? Where is it carried? In/out of sight? Hopefully well-secured wherever it is?

You can see the spot on Kyle's video from out of spec with the R2 with Scott (holding the camera)

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[rfkxyz]

There appears to be recess in the subtrunk that's designed to fit the compact spare. Slightly molded in. I think it was shown in one of the recent Austin walk-around videos on Youtube with the Normal pre-production vehicles.

You can see the spot on Kyle's video from out of spec with the R2 with Scott (holding the camera)

Yep, there it is, thanks!

 

[rfkxyz]

The only way I could see the service center getting involved is if it were a package Rivian sells. I could actually see this happening with the Rivian Adventure Department being a thing now though.

Changing anything in the suspension usually means it's going to cause bushings, ball joints, and CV joints to wear out faster, since they likely aren't designed to be at those different angles for their lifetime.

If you have the expectation that Rivian will fix suspension related issues after you've made modifications, I think you'll end up being disappointed. People will argue Magnuson-Moss until they are blue in the face, but you'd probably lose in court because the changes in geometry are easy to prove that they've caused problems.

Yeah I'd be disinclined to get too creative, even touch the suspension at all.

But we got a great effect on our Sienna w/ 2" lift...

 

[R2D2TOO]

The 21" AS is Pirelli Scorpion MS, 255/55R21

The "all terrain" isn't really an AT. It's the BFG Trail Terrain T/A. BFG classifies it as an all-weather. So, basically a AS/AT hybrid. Size is 255/60R20. Unless BFG updated the tire, TireRack's review of it from a few years ago concluded it is just so-so.

255/55R21 and 255/60R20 have identical overall diameters. If you click back and forth at rivian.com/r2, you'll see that overall diameter does not change.

The 19" option... picture are very fuzzy. But I can make out same sidewall design as the Pirelli Scorpion MS. So the size is probably 255/65R19, which is 0.3% or 0.1" larger than 255/60R20.

I’ll opt for the AT 20s, and swap the tires to Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2 as soon as possible. Had these on several vehicles and loved them.

If Rivian does not offer the option in the LE, I can always do it later.

 

[pdx_r2s]

@LivingInKaos saw

5x114.3 +38 offset, 64.141 hub

This is fantastic. Tons of options (thanks to Tesla) in this fitment. Fingers crossed it fits 18" wheels.

 

[Dark-Fx]

This is fantastic. Tons of options (thanks to Tesla) in this fitment. Fingers crossed it fits 18" wheels.

I'd be very careful about weight limits, especially if you anticipate towing near the maximum rating.

 

[pdx_r2s]

I'd be very careful about weight limits, especially if you anticipate towing near the maximum rating.

Agree. It's hard to find proper load rating wheels in 18", but they are out there. Same issue with Model Y.

 

[kanundrum]

This is fantastic. Tons of options (thanks to Tesla) in this fitment. Fingers crossed it fits 18" wheels.

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