Are you a Tesla owner getting the R2 as first Rivian? ⛔️ [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / NO ELON DISCUSSIONS] ⛔️

[VandalSibs]

Cybertruck is not being cancelled. The factory is just underutilized compared to it's full capacity. They are developing a full size 3row luxury SUV (Cyber SUV) to run on that same platform and line.
That SUV will be to the cybertruck as the R1S is to the R1T.
As far as "cancelling" the cybertruck due to lousy sales....Rivians sales are worse!! Last year 2025 Tesla sold 20,300 Cybertrucks, Rivian only sold 42,247 vehicles "grand total" R1T, R1S and delivery vans. R1T accounted for only about 7416....and they've had a 5yr head start. Rivian sales are actually the one's that been pretty lousy with no growth for 5yrs now.

Rivian never claimed that they were going to sell 250k units in a year.

When looking at the Cybertruck (although it hurts my eye to do so...), Tesla created a line that is able to make a quarter of a million vehicles, and stated their intention to do so. Heck, Musk said that they would sell at least that number yearly starting in 2025. They have come nowhere near that goal, and are in fact moving in the opposite direction. That's a giant failure.

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[tivoboy]

Cybertruck is not being cancelled. The factory is just underutilized compared to it's full capacity. They are developing a full size 3row luxury SUV (Cyber SUV) to run on that same platform and line.
That SUV will be to the cybertruck as the R1S is to the R1T.
As far as "cancelling" the cybertruck due to lousy sales....Rivians sales are worse!! Last year 2025 Tesla sold 20,300 Cybertrucks, Rivian only sold 42,247 vehicles "grand total" R1T, R1S and delivery vans. R1T accounted for only about 7416....and they've had a 5yr head start. Rivian sales are actually the one's that been pretty lousy with no growth for 5yrs now.

Cybertruck was to be a ”250k–500K” per year vehicle, per EM.. it’s literally 1/10th of that AT BEST and that includes in company sales to EM owned entities.. it’s an abject failure from a sales, revenue, margin and company visibility standpoint. the stock would go UP if they simply admitted that and they could dedicate any resources including apparently scarce production capabilities to another product. But, they can’t do that till they finalize a potentially higher volume sale to the govt. It’s a total waste of strategic planning for the company. But not surprising.

 

[EVtowing]

Last year 2025 Tesla sold 20,300 Cybertrucks,

Yes, the CT is a massive sales flop. Elon said they would sell 250,00 annually and Tesla built a line to produce that many. The CT is a disaster by any metric.

 

[EVtowing]

For the past 12 years I have only owned Teslas. Currently have a 3 and an X. I will not be buying another Tesla simply because Elon went crazy the year he bought Twitter and he has only gotten crazier since then.

Plan to replace my 2017 X with an R2.

 

[Great Gatsby]

Welp, we lost the thread.

Anyway, we owned an R1S and now a Tesla Model Y. If I'm being completely honest, I expect the MY and R2 to be very similar, to the point where I'm questioning if I should even get an R2. Outside of ride height, the vehicles emulate a similar experience and I think that is the point. R2 is meant to attract new ICE buyers as well as those who consider the MY. And it is the damn best alternative at the moment.

I'll wait to drive it to see if it materially different than the Y to justify the purchase. If you want out from Tesla, this is the vehicle to do it.

No one else does software like Tesla. They are #1 comfortably. Rivian is a distant 2nd am hoping the R2 closest the gap further. Other intangibles like working PAAK, consistent software updates, durable materials, linear acceleration and well calibrated drivetrain including smooth OPD, a decent frunk and subtrunk - this IMO is what makes a good EV versus an ICE car gone electric - is where Tesla and now Rivian should be able to hang their hat on. Getting really hard to consider other alternatives when you get an EV that is good at being an EV and it just works.

TLDR: The R2 is the best alternative to the Model Y. If you want something substantially different than the Model Y, don't think the R2 will scratch that itch (for better or for worse).

 

[VandalSibs]

Welp, we lost the thread.

Anyway, we owned an R1S and now a Tesla Model Y. If I'm being completely honest, I expect the MY and R2 to be very similar, to the point where I'm questioning if I should even get an R2. Outside of ride height, the vehicles emulate a similar experience and I think that is the point. R2 is meant to attract new ICE buyers as well as those who consider the MY. And it is the damn best alternative at the moment.

I'll wait to drive it to see if it materially different than the Y to justify the purchase. If you want out from Tesla, this is the vehicle to do it.

No one else does software like Tesla. They are #1 comfortably. Rivian is a distant 2nd am hoping the R2 closest the gap further. Other intangibles like working PAAK, consistent software updates, durable materials, linear acceleration and well calibrated drivetrain including smooth OPD, a decent frunk and subtrunk - this IMO is what makes a good EV versus an ICE car gone electric - is where Tesla and now Rivian should be able to hang their hat on. Getting really hard to consider other alternatives when you get an EV that is good at being an EV and it just works.

TLDR: The R2 is the best alternative to the Model Y. If you want something substantially different than the Model Y, don't think the R2 will scratch that itch (for better or for worse).

I actually think the shape alone will appeal to people over the Model Y - better use of space for storage. The sloping roofline on the Y makes it so you have effectively less cargo space in the back. Plus, rear legroom in the R2 is massive for it's class... the images and video of that are quite impressive.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I actually think the shape alone will appeal to people over the Model Y - better use of space for storage. The sloping roofline on the Y makes it so you have effectively less cargo space in the back. Plus, rear legroom in the R2 is massive for it's class... the images and video of that are quite impressive.

Agreed. The R2 feels more traditional and also has a gear stalk and instrument cluster right in front of you. Feels less alien than the MY. I think it will certainly steal some MY sales and some of the 4Runner/Jeep/Bronco crowd that want a real EV. I just don't think it is THAT different from Tesla if someone wants something completely different. Feature set, tech and interior colors are very similar. Main gripe is that I wish Rivian differentiated itself more in this space, but oh well, Model Y still rules this class for a reason.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

I actually think the shape alone will appeal to people over the Model Y - better use of space for storage. The sloping roofline on the Y makes it so you have effectively less cargo space in the back. Plus, rear legroom in the R2 is massive for it's class... the images and video of that are quite impressive.

That's assuming that people actually use their crossovers to their max capacity. My wife is a teacher, and she drives a Model Y. It is hardly ever fully loaded with crap in the back -- just her, her work bag, and her big-a$$ Stanley cup.

I'd argue that most people don't buy crossovers because they want to fit as much stuff as possible in their vehicles — they just like the "security" of all-wheel drive and sitting up high.

Agreed. The R2 feels more traditional and also has a gear stalk and instrument cluster right in front of you. Feels less alien than the MY. I think it will certainly steal some MY sales and some of the 4Runner/Jeep/Bronco crowd that want a real EV. I just don't think it is THAT different from Tesla if someone wants something completely different. Feature set, tech and interior colors are very similar. Main gripe is that I wish Rivian differentiated itself more in this space, but oh well, Model Y still rules this class for a reason.

Given that the Model Y has been around for about 6 years, and is one of the best sellers in the country, it is no longer "alien." For better or worse, it's become "normal"; otherwise, it wouldn't be selling in the numbers it does.

Personally, I think the Model Y is pretty damn ugly (even owning one), but it "works" as an everyday commuter.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Main gripe is that I wish Rivian differentiated itself more in this space, but oh well, Model Y still rules this class for a reason.

Wild take. How would you expect Rivian to further differentiate R2 while still being in the same vehicle class? It's about as different as it could be and still have the mass market appeal they need.

 

[Great Gatsby]

Wild take. How would you expect Rivian to further differentiate R2 while still being in the same vehicle class? It's about as different as it could be and still have the mass market appeal they need.

Going with something outside of white or black interior, physical door handles and buttons for at least volume and climate, more luxury items (HUD, suede headliner, soft close doors, massaging seats), retractable sunshade, removable doors, etc.

Appearance wise, sure, they differ. Fundamentally, the R2 is more of the Model Y Rivian. Down to the range, pricing and size. Hard to argue Rivian wasn't benchmarking the MY, specially when this came out of RJ's mouth himself. Again, not a bad thing, but really wish they did more to make it its own thing.

Having a Model Y in the household already, I'm looking for reasons to get an R2 that differentiates from it and I have to tell you, from what I'm seeing, they aren't many.

 

[TimK]

Yep, current owner of 2018 model 3, I paid for FSD but I'm on HW3 so I only have half of a working FSD and generally don't use it much. Looking forward to the R2 but I might just wait for the Tri-Motor version if I can bear it.

I have the same setup as you. But I had EAP for most of my mileage which was good enough but you could see Tesla stopped giving it any love a few years back. I picked up FSD a few months ago. Maybe because of my exposure to EAP my expectations are lower but I think HW3 FSD is not that far behind HW4.

 

[cadblu]

I love my Tesla Y Performance. The FSD is what I use 90% of the time and going to an EV was an epiphany. Literally felt like time travel to the future. But I love Overlanding and even though I put Methods/AT tires, drawer system, bed, etc, it just isn’t built for what I want. I want an electric 4Runner and when the R2 was announced, it’s like RJ read my mind. The R1 was always way out of my price range and too big for me.

All that to say, I’m so stoked to get the R2 and the icing on the cake is to buy a product from as CEO I can respect.

Deliveries cannot start fast enough! And still holding out hope that they do cloud interior for launch edition. A man can dream!

Back to the OP's original question:
Are you a Tesla owner getting the R2 as first Rivian?

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[Apprunner]

R2 will differentiate when the tri-motor comes out. I'm hoping the reliability gets to Tesla standards by then as R1 has been pretty spotty at best.

 

[r2fb]

Welp, we lost the thread.

Anyway, we owned an R1S and now a Tesla Model Y. If I'm being completely honest, I expect the MY and R2 to be very similar, to the point where I'm questioning if I should even get an R2. Outside of ride height, the vehicles emulate a similar experience and I think that is the point. R2 is meant to attract new ICE buyers as well as those who consider the MY. And it is the damn best alternative at the moment.

I'll wait to drive it to see if it materially different than the Y to justify the purchase. If you want out from Tesla, this is the vehicle to do it.

No one else does software like Tesla. They are #1 comfortably. Rivian is a distant 2nd am hoping the R2 closest the gap further. Other intangibles like working PAAK, consistent software updates, durable materials, linear acceleration and well calibrated drivetrain including smooth OPD, a decent frunk and subtrunk - this IMO is what makes a good EV versus an ICE car gone electric - is where Tesla and now Rivian should be able to hang their hat on. Getting really hard to consider other alternatives when you get an EV that is good at being an EV and it just works.

TLDR: The R2 is the best alternative to the Model Y. If you want something substantially different than the Model Y, don't think the R2 will scratch that itch (for better or for worse).

I'd say working wipers, parking sensors, a driver's display and a much more comfortable ride makes it substantially different than a model Y.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I'd say working wipers, parking sensors, a driver's display and a much more comfortable ride makes it substantially different than a model Y.

Have you test driven an R2? If not, outside of a driver’s display, these would be assumptions still. I hope they’re true, though.

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