Another one bites the dust: Good bye Rivian, for now...

[Jonger1150]

So weird that we have people without Rivian's constantly filling this board with garbage.

Yup, I'm going to head over to the Jeep board and make a farewell post about getting rid of the Jeep and see what happens.

I did get rid of a Silverado, but the post would get lost with all the others complaining about failing transmissions.

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[Tr4ckD4ys]

Yup, I'm going to head over to the Jeep board and make a farewell post about getting rid of the Jeep and see what happens.

I did get rid of a Silverado, but the post would get lost with all the others complaining about failing transmissions.

Nobody is stopping you. This is the internet. You can tell your dogmas as loud as you like and may always find someone like you who picks you up on it.

 

[kong]

And like Rivian, if you're lucky and get a good build, you have a great vehicle.

You’re right, and I think that applies to any vehicle. Sorry to see two from the NY crew bow out. Wishing you guys the best with your new rides.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

As an obviously big Jeep fan and long time owner, I'm keeping my eye on that Hurricane engine. Hopefully, it turns out to be as reliable as some of the other engines that have been in recent Jeep models. Both Hemi V8 and the Pentastar V6 have proven to be very good engines and since they are backed by ZF8 speed transmissions, the powertrains have been basically bulletproof. I don't have a need for anything as large as the Wagoneer, but word on the street is that the Hurricane engine will soon be coming to the Grand Cherokee as well, so we'll see what happens. If I decide against going with an R1S, I'll most likely end up in a Grand Cherokee again.

I'm on my third Jeep in a row. All three have been 100% reliable, zero issues with any of them. Never once returned to the dealer for anything. So maybe I'm just lucky or maybe Jeep isn't as bad as some people think. Either way, I wouldn't''t hesitate to buy another Jeep. Then again, reliability data has never swayed my decision to buy any vehicle. I simply don't care about that and instead choose to buy what I like instead.

True...but one of mine is a very early JL...and it has 55k on it...and is the only one that ever went back....for a steering damper.

I get it...building a complex BEV is novel. But body panel alignment, steering alignment, painting vehicles, attaching plastic cladding, etc...are all not novel and after this long since Job 1.....that should be perfected by now. To not perfect or bear perfect...is a choice. A calculated choice.

Also my third jeep. Two were Lemons and got bought back lol. It didn’t stop me from buying another one. Because I wanted it. The reliability concerns also didn’t stop me from buying a Rivian and wouldn’t have stopped me from keeping it had it not been for the insane wait.

 

[NY_Rob]

You’re right, and I think that applies to any vehicle. Sorry to see two from the NY crew bow out. Wishing you guys the best with your new rides.

I update vehicles about every 2 yrs or so, which should be good timing for the R2 deliveries and reviews to start coming in. I'd have no issues switching back at that time if the R2 shakes out as advertised.

 

[R1Tom]

Whatever happened to "to each his own"? You post something positive about an ICE vehicle and you're a troll? Can't we do better than that?

This forum is pretty entertaining...that is for sure!

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

I have the r1s large pack with 351 miles of stated range. I drove from my house to Mt. Shasta where teh RAN charger is on a single charge and arrived with around 60 miles of range left. So 255 miles of driving on google maps and 60 miles of range left. This was almost 4 hours of driving too so from my experience the range issue just didn't exist on a road trip when the infra structure was there. I get the worry people have for sure, I really over thought this trip myself planning out every charging stop. Finally doing it I realized there are chargers everywhere on the west coast and even a fast 15 minute stop to use the bathroom is enough time to keep the range topped up. I did a few stops like this where I just plugged in and ran into the bathroom and to grab a drink and came back to another 50, 60 or 70 miles of range.

I'd just say the experience is different more than anything. I wouldn't say its that much harder or easier honestly. It was different.

Jump in on EV, you'll never go back. I agree towing is only negative and GM takes care of that. Trips are actually improved, at least for those of us over 35. Spending 25 min to relax, get food, go to bathroom, and then take a 10 minute walk. Arrive at a destination and actually feel awake when getting there.

I'm now 4/6 EVs in the family, with my 2 ICE being awesome vehicles and I never want to drive them.

Hmm… one thing you have to keep in mind is that the East Coast EV infra, specifically New England, is very different from the West Coast. It’s really not as easy here as it is there. Want to go to upstate NY or Vermont for the weekend? It’s a bit more difficult than going from SF to LA. So yeah, there is a clear group of people (myself included now, although for different reasons) that “go back to ICE” after EV.

 

[bfilippo]

Hmm… one thing you have to keep in mind is that the East Coast EV infra, specifically New England, is very different from the West Coast. It’s really not as easy here as it is there. Want to go to upstate NY or Vermont for the weekend? It’s a bit more difficult than going from SF to LA. So yeah, there is a clear group of people (myself included now, although for different reasons) that “go back to ICE” after EV.

Maybe I am just optimistic, but I live in downeast Maine, and I have easily gone to Burlington, Quebec (various areas including Montreal), Boston, etc, without any range anxiety in an EV.

 

[Jonger1150]

Hmm… one thing you have to keep in mind is that the East Coast EV infra, specifically New England, is very different from the West Coast. It’s really not as easy here as it is there. Want to go to upstate NY or Vermont for the weekend? It’s a bit more difficult than going from SF to LA. So yeah, there is a clear group of people (myself included now, although for different reasons) that “go back to ICE” after EV.

I drove from Michigan to Maine in July. Drove up Mount Washington. Didn't find any issues finding chargers and that was before I got an adapter for Tesla.

If you want to cannonball run 1000 mile drives at minimum time spent, yes.... and EV will lose out to an ICE.

I actually enjoy being forced to chill every 250 miles to charge.

There are 10 minute charging vehicles in China that recoup back 400 miles right now. So, this won't be the way the future is. But for today, it's definitely a bit more of a time sink.

 

[mabowden]

Makes sense....only if I leave at some point my current hypothetical exit plan would either be a LX700, GX550, Raptor R, Silverado ZR-2, or possibly a GMC Sierra EV...if I felt enough compelled to stay EV.

But that Hurrican engine seems pretty sweet too!

The Lexus offering would likely get my money as I have been treated like royalty by the dealer for a long time....but the others have been darn good too. I think the Rivian service machine has lowered my expectations some....

Enjoy!

Edit...I feel I should say my last two service trips have been excellent...but I have had more service needs for the Rivian than all my previous Lexus products combined...total mileage on them around 400k...

The GX550 is pure sex. Seriously they did a good job. That and my last rig was a GX470 might have me leaning that direction. You're right, Lexus has an AMAZING dealer experience too.

If I were to keep a truck, it would likely be a colorado trail boss or ranger raptor. I can't see myself going larger than the R1...

I would not go stellantis. Especially on a newer power plant. I have massive reliability fears there.

While I slightly find myself in OPs position (wincing at this depreciation curve), I still just can't make the justification to jump yet. I can't imagine liking something else more. I guess for me, my work paid electricity makes a big difference too with my 50-mile daily commute. The lexus would cost me $11/day in gas just in commute. Not a ton, but an added cost.

 

[Jiji]

EDIT: They're also better at emitting copious amounts of co2.

Your EV is hardly a zero carbon emitter unless you happen to use 100% zero carbon energy for charging which is untypical unless you have a nearby atomic plant.

CO2 from power generation in MI is somewhere in the 360 g/kWh range (a 2019 number I found), so driving your R1 for 1 mile (consuming ~0.5 kWh of energy) emitted approximately 180g of CO2 at the source.

An ICE emits ~8800g CO2 per gallon, if you get 20 miles per gallon this is about 440g of CO2 emitted to drive the same mile but measured at the tailpipe.

So an average MI R1 driver has slightly less than half the CO2 emissions of an ICE vehicle, an improvement but not something to brag about if all sources of CO2 are considered. This is the reason the Hummer EV ended up polluting more than some ICE vehicles.

 

[Jonger1150]

Your EV is hardly a zero carbon emitter unless you happen to use 100% zero carbon energy for charging which is untypical unless you have a nearby atomic plant.

CO2 from power generation in MI is somewhere in the 360 g/kWh range (a 2019 number I found), so driving your R1 for 1 mile (consuming ~0.5 kWh of energy) emitted approximately 180g of CO2 at the source.

An ICE emits ~8800g CO2 per gallon, if you get 20 miles per gallon this is about 440g of CO2 emitted to drive the same mile but measured at the tailpipe.

So an average MI R1 driver has slightly less than half the CO2 emissions of an ICE vehicle, an improvement but not something to brag about if all sources of CO2 are considered. This is the reason the Hummer EV ended up polluting more than some ICE vehicles.

And every year that will improve. When I drive through Ontario my entire charge (352) is equal to burning 1 gallon of gasoline. I drive into Canada A LOT. That will be the future here. That gallon of gas will be 8800g of co2 for eternity.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Unfortunately we all bought one of the worst vehicles for reliability according to many studies. To top it off , we have to wait 3+ months to have all these issues addressed. It’s just not sustainable. I’d say there would be a lot more of these posts if we wouldn’t lose our asses on resale value. Good luck with your wagoneer

Have any proof instead of your usual Tesla Stan rhetoric?

 

[Jonger1150]

Have any proof instead of your usual Tesla Stan rhetoric?

I have seen a similar report. There needs to be an update to the classification on what constitutes a reported problem. I believe frequent OTA updating makers are hit with this poor reliability rating. I might be wrong though.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I'm on my third Jeep in a row. All three have been 100% reliable, zero issues with any of them. Never once returned to the dealer for anything. So maybe I'm just lucky or maybe Jeep isn't as bad as some people think. Either way, I wouldn't''t hesitate to buy another Jeep. Then again, reliability data has never swayed my decision to buy any vehicle. I simply don't care about that and instead choose to buy what I like instead.

I agree with you on buying what I want instead of buying what I have to. When I was in a different spot in my younger years I chose vehicles for reliability and value for the dollar. Now I am fortunate enough to be in a spot to choose based on what I want instead.

Please ensure to include both of mine in your studies. With over 2 years and 25k miles with only 1 service visit (R1S washer spray line pinched) that fix was completed in my garage.

Sorry to hear your experience has been much worse than mine.

Don’t worry about piper. He’s said on more than one occasion his wife forced him to get his Rivian he wanted a cyberdumpster. Piper clearly has an axe to grind with Rivian simply because he wishes he could be driving a refrigerator with wheels.

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